Questions about installing a thermostat for traditional boiler

cable_guy · Jun 21, 2018

Hi,

I've a traditional, non combi boiler. (with a hot water tank)
I've an immersion heater.
I've no central heating thermostat.
I have a manual thermostat attached on the boiler which I suspect is the water temperature but i'm not sure

How much of a task is it to install a brand new smart thermostat (for the central heating)? Is it even possible?

(Disclaimer I am not a plumber, I am a customer who knows nothing about plumbing)

BILLENK · Jun 21, 2018

Do you have a programmer? (Timings for your hot water/heating)

Do you have zone valves/mid position valve?

A picture of your cyclinder cupboard may answer this if you're unsure.

If you have these it wouldn't be much of a task, a lot of wireless options available nowadays

cable_guy · Nov 27, 2018

BILLENK said:
Do you have a programmer? (Timings for your hot water/heating)

Do you have zone valves/mid position valve?

A picture of your cyclinder cupboard may answer this if you're unsure.

If you have these it wouldn't be much of a task, a lot of wireless options available nowadays

Hi Bill, thanks for replying.

OK I took a look and i've the following:

1) Drayton HTS3 cylinder stat
2) Drayton LP241 programmer
3) this monstrosity. ( the green thing says Wilo gold 50 on it)

does this give you any idea if it's possible?

Harvest Fields · Nov 27, 2018

Really easy some even have the same backplate.

cable_guy · Nov 27, 2018

Harvest Fields said:
Really easy some even have the same backplate.

Wow great! So is the job to replace the programmer unit with a "smart" one, and job done?!

P.s. do I have a "mid position valve" as bill asked?

Edit: does this also mean I can finally have a "wireless thermostat" as opposed to no thermostat?

Harvest Fields · Nov 27, 2018

cable_guy said:
Wow great! So is the job to replace the programmer unit with a "smart" one, and job done?!

P.s. do I have a "mid position valve" as bill asked?

Edit: does this also mean I can finally have a "wireless thermostat" as opposed to no thermostat?

Yes mate you do have a y plan system.

Look at the twin channel hive thermostat

townfanjon · Nov 27, 2018

The green monstrosity keeps your house warm , it has feelings you know , slag it off at your peril .

cable_guy · Nov 27, 2018

townfanjon said:
The green monstrosity keeps your house warm , it has feelings you know , slag it off at your peril .

Lol!! What is it?

townfanjon · Nov 27, 2018

This epidemic of “ smart “ controls isnt needed IMO , just put a Honeywell 6360 room stat on your system and tell everyone you have an app for it.

townfanjon · Nov 27, 2018

cable_guy said:
Lol!! What is it?

Lol , a pump

cable_guy · Nov 27, 2018

townfanjon said:
This epidemic of “ smart “ controls isnt needed IMO , just put a Honeywell 6360 room stat on your system and tell everyone you have an app for it.

Thanks I'll look that up, smart isn't necessarily what I'll go for but my energy costs so much I need to see what I can do clever to save £££

Harvest Fields · Nov 27, 2018

cable_guy said:
Thanks I'll look that up, smart isn't necessarily what I'll go for but my energy costs so much I need to see what I can do clever to save £££

Smart stat probably will not do much to be honest.

cable_guy · Nov 27, 2018

Harvest Fields said:
Smart stat probably will not do much to be honest.

I think if I can get something which:

gave me the control to turn on or off from outside the home
gave me a thermostat

I'd save some money compared to today

Harvest Fields · Nov 27, 2018

cable_guy said:
I think if I can get something which:

gave me the control to turn on or off from outside the home

gave me a thermostat

I'd save some money compared to today

Definitely look at the hive.

Harvest Fields · Nov 27, 2018

What boiler do you have?

townfanjon · Nov 27, 2018

Harvest Fields said:
Smart stat probably will not do much to be honest.

My point exactly

townfanjon · Nov 27, 2018

cable_guy said:
I think if I can get something which:

gave me the control to turn on or off from outside the home

gave me a thermostat

I'd save some money compared to today

You need the control within your home , the on / off away from home unless you work weird shifts not knowing when you will be home isnt needed IMO , if you have a well insulated home it is cheaper to turn the heating down (ie just take the chill off ) not turn it off .

cable_guy · Nov 27, 2018

Harvest Fields said:
What boiler do you have?

Ideal classic

cable_guy · Nov 27, 2018

townfanjon said:
You need the control within your home , the on / off away from home unless you work weird shifts not knowing when you will be home isnt needed IMO , if you have a well insulated home it is cheaper to turn the heating down (ie just take the chill off ) not turn it off .

I'm not sure I'm able to turn it down though,at least I don't know how to do it

townfanjon · Nov 28, 2018

cable_guy said:
I'm not sure I'm able to turn it down though,at least I don't know how to do it

If you fit a standard room stat you will

cable_guy · Nov 30, 2018

townfanjon said:
If you fit a standard room stat you will

Can I buy a smart programmer together with a thermostat?

Harvest Fields · Nov 30, 2018

Built in together you mean?

townfanjon · Nov 30, 2018

cable_guy said:
Can I buy a smart programmer together with a thermostat?

Start again mate , are you fine with your programmer coming on at set times every day , i.e do you generally go to work , go out etc etc at the same times throughout your normal week , if you do , IMO you just need a room stat .
If you work stupid shifts , go out loads at different times , dont come home the odd night etc etc then go for a app type system , nest , hive , lyric etc etc.

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