Toilet Fill Valve Identification Please

Marcus Jones · Apr 15, 2019

Hi there.

Have any fellow plumbers come across this type of fill valve before? It’s in one of those awkward toilets which is completely inaccessible ie no access to the close coupling bolts or inlet connections because of the style, though it it a close coupled type. My apologies for the poor photo but it the writing looks like “Idrols” (not Ideal). I’ve scoured Google images and can’t find a match. It appears to have a locking nut on the main body (like the fluidmaster). Thanks.

Stigster · Apr 15, 2019

Did the white plastic nut on top with the arm coming out of it originally have a shroud or cover or is that as it comes?

Marcus Jones · Apr 15, 2019

Stigster said:
Did the white plastic nut on top with the arm coming out of it originally have a shroud or cover or is that as it comes?

I’m not sure, sorry. Obviously I’m reluctant to open the nut and identify the washer as there’s no way to isolate the valve and sometimes removing a washer and replacing existing (worn) one can get you into a world of pain!

Marcus Jones · Apr 15, 2019

Marcus Jones said:
I’m not sure, sorry. Obviously I’m reluctant to open the nut and identify the washer as there’s no way to isolate the valve and sometimes removing a washer and replacing existing (worn) one can get you into a world of pain!

Stigster · Apr 15, 2019

Marcus Jones said:
I’m not sure, sorry. Obviously I’m reluctant to open the nut and identify the washer as there’s no way to isolate the valve and sometimes removing a washer and replacing existing (worn) one can get you into a world of pain!

Understood, just that I had a few spare minutes to search for a picture of the valve online. The only distinguishing features in the picture are the blue coloured float/float shroud, that the float appears to be round and the nut is distinctive enough to hope to identify. If it did originally have a cover over that nut it's going to be much harder to identify by pictures online but I'll have another look. No promises though!

Aire · Apr 15, 2019

Marcus Jones said:
I’m not sure, sorry. Obviously I’m reluctant to open the nut and identify the washer as there’s no way to isolate the valve and sometimes removing a washer and replacing existing (worn) one can get you into a world of pain!

Unless it's obvious who the manufacturer is then I wouldn't bother trying to find a replacement. Just turn the water off, take the toilet out and replace with a valve you know you get spares for so future maintenance won't be an issue

Aire · Apr 15, 2019

Is it any of these?

1/2 Bottom Entry - toiletspares.co.uk

Stigster · Apr 15, 2019

I agree, if it was easy to identify it'd be a nice easy job to buy one and just change the top section of it but I think OP will end up having to disassemble the cistern from the pan and do whatever it takes to get at the fixings. I hate these designs for this reason.

My daughter had her syphon fail in her toilet recently and I was relieved to find it was low level wall mounted cistern with flush pipe. So nice to work on these older style installations.

Marcus Jones · Apr 15, 2019

Stigster said:
Understood, just that I had a few spare minutes to search for a picture of the valve online. The only distinguishing features in the picture are the blue coloured float/float shroud, that the float appears to be round and the nut is distinctive enough to hope to identify. If it did originally have a cover over that nut it's going to be much harder to identify by pictures online but I'll have another look. No promises though!

Thanks.

Marcus Jones · Apr 15, 2019

Craig Watson said:
Unless it's obvious who the manufacturer is then I wouldn't bother trying to find a replacement. Just turn the water off, take the toilet out and replace with a valve you know you get spares for so future maintenance won't be an issue

I think you’re right. Here’s the toilet, to give you an idea as to why I wanted to fix the existing fill valve

Marcus Jones · Apr 15, 2019

Craig Watson said:
Is it any of these?

1/2 Bottom Entry - toiletspares.co.uk

None of those. Thanks for your help though. I suspect it’s some obscure European make. The flush valve (which would’ve been fitted at the same time is a Geberit; but the valve isn’t).

Coby kenny AGUILAR · Apr 15, 2019

Unfortunately that looks like one of them nightmare jobs,

Have you removed the fixing bolts? If not youll have to tackle it with a stanley,

Give yourself just under half a day (don't try crack it out in under an hour)

Slide the toilet out if you have to remove the top of the cistern replace everything you touch, flush valve, fill valve and washers ect...

Seems like over kill and it is, but if I have a shxt job I don't want to be going back.

Good luck

Marcus Jones · Apr 15, 2019

Coby kenny AGUILAR said:
Unfortunately that looks like one of them nightmare jobs,

Have you removed the fixing bolts? If not youll have to tackle it with a stanley,

Give yourself just under half a day (don't try crack it out in under an hour)

Slide the toilet out if you have to remove the top of the cistern replace everything you touch, flush valve, fill valve and washers ect...

Seems like over kill and it is, but if I have a shxt job I don't want to be going back.

Good luck

Thanks. I’ve suggested replacing the whole toilet. It’s bound to be connected via flexible pan connector and flexible hose to fill valve. Once you start moving that about and then putting it back into place , you can’t really check for any leaks unless you’re looking at the ceiling in the kitchen below! Thanks for the advice though.

Coby kenny AGUILAR · Apr 15, 2019

Marcus Jones said:
Thanks. I’ve suggested replacing the whole toilet. It’s bound to be connected via flexible pan connector and flexible hose to fill valve. Once you start moving that about and then putting it back into place , you can’t really check for any leaks unless you’re looking at the ceiling in the kitchen below! Thanks for the advice though.

I can see why it would seem easier to replace the pan, however when it comes the connections aren't guaranteed to be watertight, and if your in a hardwater area you might find yourself with in the same situation in a year or twos time.

If you put in a fill and flush valve that's serviceable from the top, you'll appreciate it when you might have to replace a washer in the future.

A new pan might put them off the job £100+ for a decent one, you replacing all components will be about a score depending where you get your stock from.

Hope all goes well marcus

Stigster · Apr 15, 2019

Damn! What a horrid design from a maintenance standpoint. I dread the day I have any failures with mine at home too. My toilet (already there when I bough the house) is a corner model with all access to fixings and gubbins tiled in.

The one you are dealing with is just as bad :-(

As others have said, I think you'll need to take that out to do any work. If the customer will accept I'd want to do that one on day rates rather than quote for it, unless you feel comfortable adding a "PITA tax" to it and can still get the job.

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