Anyone got news on the switchover to the new NVQ diploma in P&H?

[Bob Hill]

Hi all, I've been accepted onto a course at my local college. It's called: FC0751 NVQ diploma in plumbing and heating L2. Page here:Plumbing NVQ Intermediate Diploma Level 2 (Sept '11)

The guys at the college tell me that this is what is replacing both the 6129 and 6089 as a combined course. It doesn't include lead work anymore...

I think this is the page for it on the C and G website: [DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/55839.html?search_term=plumbing"]City & Guilds | Qualification | NVQ Diploma in Plumbing and Domestic Heating[/DLMURL]

I was hoping to do the old 6129 as the college runs it over a year and only does this new qualification 1 day a week over two years.

Has anyone heard anything about this new qualification?
My college hasn't yet been able to find out if it's possible to do the 6129 and then just add on a few of the modules from the combined course to add up to equivelent to the diploma. Has anyone else found out about this?

Thanks in a advance!

 

[northstar]

what area are you from ?

 

[fuzzy]

yes its replcing both and you have to be employed to do it
if you not employed youve got to do the building services course

 

[Bob Hill]

I'm in Brighton, East sussex.

The college seems quite happy to start me on the course whilst not employed - they say they register me with C and G and I then have 5 years to do all the needed on the job aspects.

Thanks for the input

 

[fuzzy]

I'm in Brighton, East sussex.

The college seems quite happy to start me on the course whilst not employed - they say they register me with C and G and I then have 5 years to do all the needed on the job aspects.

Thanks for the input

is there a charge? if your paying up front there is no risk for them. the 5 years is the registration with c&g not your enrolment

 

[Bob Hill]

Yes, pay upfornt - hence no risk for them. I'm building up a few guys who will be able to give me a bit of experience etc and hopefully let me do the on site assesments.

They seemed to be suggesting they register you right from the start with C and G, but may have misunderstood.

Seems to me that unless I want to do a fast track (which I don't really - too many horror storys) this is the only route.

I'm not 100% decided yet. Got someone from trade skills for you coming round thursday - so shall see what they have to say, though as they're fast track i', not holding out much hope - just want to see what they have to say.

Do you know where I could get a list of the kind of things that need to be done on site and signed off for?

 

[fuzzy]

can i ask what they are charging please?
yes they do register you straight away, but the 5 years is your registration with C&G. check how long your enrolling for , if they only enrol you for 1 year, when you come to year 2 you will have to pay again
big risk if you dont have any work, if you dont get it you dont get the qual

 

[Bob Hill]

It's £1500 per year (2 year course). They've been very open and upfront about the need to get signed off on site and clear that if I don't get that done I won't have the qualification.

I assume you'd suggest not signing up to any course until you've got work guarenteed?

 

[fuzzy]

i think its mad to sign on a course you are more likely to fail than succeed on

 

[finley]

Hi Guys, can anyone offer me any advice. I recently enrolled on the c and G 6128, to then be told I had been upgraded for free to the 6189 nvq2. I am not in employment, and came out of office work in January through redundancy after 20 years. I wasnt informed about needing to get assessed for the nvq2 on site untill i had paid my fundsm then the info came through advising me of this, and tha the assessments cost 300 a go, and it would be my responsibility to find the work, I called the training sales guy, and he said you can be nvq qualified but you dont have to be nvq assessed? does this sound a bit false, and how long after i complete the course will i have to get assesed? Is the nvq2 changing??

 

[fuzzy]

Hi Guys, can anyone offer me any advice. I recently enrolled on the c and G 6128, to then be told I had been upgraded for free to the 6189 nvq2. I am not in employment, and came out of office work in January through redundancy after 20 years. I wasnt informed about needing to get assessed for the nvq2 on site untill i had paid my fundsm then the info came through advising me of this, and tha the assessments cost 300 a go, and it would be my responsibility to find the work, I called the training sales guy, and he said you can be nvq qualified but you dont have to be nvq assessed? does this sound a bit false, and how long after i complete the course will i have to get assesed? Is the nvq2 changing??

the 6128 is not a plumbing qual mate, not sure why they swapped it too he plumbing diploma, how far on with it were you?

 

[finley]

the 6128 is not a plumbing qual mate, not sure why they swapped it too he plumbing diploma, how far on with it were you?

I may be wrong. i applied for maybe it was the 6129? and then it changed to the 6189?so had not started it, but have now started the 6189 c and g nvq2

 

[fuzzy]

the prob with 6189 is you cannot pass unless your employed. the 6129 you could, not sure why people are signing up for a course they at the time cannot pass, madness

 

[finley]

the prob with 6189 is you cannot pass unless your employed. the 6129 you could, not sure why people are signing up for a course they at the time cannot pass, madness[/QUOTE
It all happened very quick.Sales guy came round to sell me the 6129, which was once you done the course, and passed, you get the qualification. Then i git a call to say due to the switch overm they upgraded me for free to the 6189 nvq2. Then i goyt literature through the post and in small print it stated it woudl be up to the student to gain the employment to get the assessment and pass . I queried this, as it was not mentioned or needed for the 6129 and obvioulsy meant me having to find employment, and shell out for the assessments on top of course fees , travel, accomodation etc. The sales guy just said that i didnt have to get assessed if i did not want to, as i would be NVQ qualified just not assesses, and that the c and g part was more important. ME being totally new to this industry, and wanting to learn it, have taken his word. How long after finishing the qualification do you have to get assessed?

 

[fuzzy]

often c and g is used to make it sound more credible, dont get confused, the nvq is a c&g, did you read my thread on it?
the 6129 is the tech cert and rubbish on its own
you have 5 years from starting to complete, but that doesnt mean the centre will enrol you for 5 years, they may enrol you for 1
you will not get the NVQ without being assessed on site, you will NOT PASS unless assessed on site. you will get some units towards that stand for nothing unless you have all of the and therefore the full qual

 

[finley]

Well we are told we have 18 months in which to complete the course. Now, would this incclude getting assessed for the nvq? Apparently the course is doable in 8 months.So with no assessments, there is no 6189 be it c&g or nvq2? I was told id stil lhave the 6189 but not the NVQ, and this is from one of the sales guys at the centre. Could this be a miss sell? sounds like it happens alot ?

 

[fuzzy]

the 6189 is an nvq!!! it is not C&G or NVQ, C&G is just the awarding body NOT a qualification. The tech cert was the qualification that people wrongly call the C&G. C&G are the awarding body for both http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/plumbing-courses/19487-c-g-tech-cert-nvq-eal-facts-you.html

 

[finley]

er,sorry for being confused, but when you have been sold something that is as if it is two parts to the one qual, i.e the c and g and the nvq, then you know none the wiser, and hand over lots of money,are these training centres mis selling these all siging all dancing quals then? mis leading people? id lve to mention who im going though. They have already advised me not to believe anything on this site as apparently its all plumbers not wanting new plumbers being trained up in such a way.lol

 

[fuzzy]

lol, goodness me, there are 2 parts to the old quals but the point im making is your calling it the wrong thing, its the tech cert and the nvq, not the C&G and NVQ, have you read my newest post? it will clear it all up for you.

I am laughing my head off at that remark "They have already advised me not to believe anything on this site as apparently its all plumbers not wanting new plumbers being trained up in such a way" What a ridiculus thing for anyone to say, dont listen to advice? You should listen to as much advice as you can and then inform your own views and decision. I/We are not anti trainees, we/I am just giving you the facts, you make the decision. Training is the same at any centre/college, you do the same quals, its what you expect from them that counts. Read my other post and you will see I dont mention which type of training centre fast track or college or any other, i talk about the quals. I have had a suspicion that some provides are telling newbies/potential trainees to not listen to plumbers as they often come on here ready for a fight with claims of "your being negative because you dont want me to be competition". thats rubbish, maybe some people think like that but its nothing new and nothing just to plumbers, but i can guarantee that it is not the majority, we are pro education http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/p...vq-c-g-eal-6129-6089-6129-plumbing-quals.html

 

[finley]

Thanks for that, Where is you newest link i will have a look at it.Thanks again.

 

[fuzzy]

bottom of the post mate

 

[Peter Weaver]

As far as I know, as at today, the 6089 ( NVQ ) and 6129 ( Tech Cert ) at level 2 and 3 will not be funded by the Skills Funding Agency for NEW Apprenticeships from 1st August 2011. they have been replaced by the 6189 combined NVQ-Diploma at Level 2 and at Level 3.
However, C&G have not issued any information on the Level 3, so... !

 

[fuzzy]

that is correct