Boiler change & relocation

[mat_wye]

Hello to all (i'm Mat)

I've recently bought a house with an old open vent Potterton Suprima 70 fitted with copper tank ect.... The boiler has given up and i've been advised to change to a combi system and relocate the boiler to where the copper tank sits upstairs inside a cupboard.....


The guy who is quoting has priced for an Ideal Independant C35 combi > are these any good?? i have 3 young children and i dont want to spend alot of money that i dont have on a boiler that constantly breaks down....


Many thanks in advance for any help / advice



Mat

 

[Barry98]

with three kids id stick with the set up you have and just swap the boiler but thats just me

 

[Masood]

Combis aren't the best solution in every scenario. How many bathrooms do you have? What's the possibility of needing two hot taps open at the same time (with 3 kids, I'd say quite high!), what's you mains pressure and flow rate like?

I agree with Bod - swap the boiler, lag the cylinder really well to minimise standing heat losses, and you'll appreciate that tank full of hot water on bath night!

 

[mat_wye]

2 bathrooms but the upstairs one has an electric shower, the engineer advised that the current setup was badly installed (15mm feed & return & gas supply) plus its right at the back of the property.... ??

 

[Toxic Ted]

with three kids id stick with the set up you have and just swap the boiler but thats just me

X2.........its always the better option to have a cylinder with immersion for back up when you have kids imho.

 

[Meady]

I would put up your location on here and get a few people to give you a quote.

 

[mat_wye]

ok, would the new replacement boiler need a 22mm gas feed? or would a 15mm be ok...

 

[mat_wye]

Im in Bognor Regis

 

[Dotty]

ok, would the new replacement boiler need a 22mm gas feed? or would a 15mm be ok...

Let your GSR worry about that.

 

[Mrs Tara Plumbi]

I've 3 kids, 2 showers and we are happy with our combi.
But
it might not be right for you.
I would get 3 quotes from local gas engineers with good reputations and listen carefully to their advise.

 

[Ermintrude]

I second mrs t p. what good is a cylinder full of hot water on bath night when it takes 1hr to re heat?

If you have good mains pressure and on a budget get a combi. Get the 35 if you can stretch the extra £75? It's an ideal logic rebranded and it's an excellent boiler. But as many threads will show it's not the boiler that makes or brakes it it's the installer. Go with what I recommend to you by who ever looks at job. The best set up if you have good mains pressure would be an unvented cylinder.

 

[sheff paul]

2 bathrooms but the upstairs one has an electric shower, the engineer advised that the current setup was badly installed (15mm feed & return & gas supply) plus its right at the back of the property.... ??

cylinders and tanks are too 'old skool' if its a cack system,bite the bullet cancel florida this year,have a complete system fitted rads and all,either a Vaillant combi,or if you are really roger nosh (posh) go for a unvented,dont let them Worcestor tarts pull your pants down either.

 

[TBServices]

Personally, I think combis are ideal in most circumstances. 5 people all using the hot water on a system with poor recovery and standing losses, against a combi with instantaneous, everlasting hot water? The only trade off being single outlet use.

The ideal is a cracking boiler although personally I fit the logic plus, it will have a better warranty.

Vaillant and Worcester are both overpriced for no good reason.

 

[Nostrum]

I would disagree, over sized for heating, undersized for decent hot water performance. The only plus is you get a bit more cupboard space to put more crap in and forget about for 5 years.

In this instance though, either would be o.k really. If money is an issue, replace existing boiler like for like, if money is not so much of an issue replace boiler and cylinder with a high recovery coil. Somewhere in between will get you a conversion to combi if you are happy with all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Masood]

Personally, I think combis are ideal in most circumstances.... The only trade off being single outlet use.

With 5 people in the house that trade-off will rapidly become a pain to live with.

 

[Masood]

what good is a cylinder full of hot water on bath night when it takes 1hr to re heat

Get with the times, grandad! There are 250+lt cylinders with 20-minute recovery times these days...

 

[Ermintrude]

Yeh the blokes skint? I would be fitting SLME 400 but it's not my money.

 

[vern]

cylinders and tanks are too 'old skool' if its a cack system,bite the bullet cancel florida this year,have a complete system fitted rads and all,either a Vaillant combi,or if you are really roger nosh (posh) go for a unvented,dont let them Worcestor tarts pull your pants down either.

WB boys rule bunny boy!

 

[sheff paul]

WB boys rule bunny boy!

you Taaart

 

[vern]

you Taaart

Yeah I know Paul

 

[Roger Welton]

With 5 people in the house that trade-off will rapidly become a pain to live with.

Yup, 5 people in the shower one after another , means no heating for quite a while.

 

[Ru0907]

I always prefer system boiler and unvented cylinder over a combi. They are both mains fed but I always find you get a lot better performance from the cylinder on the hot water. There are some very competitive prices out there now on the cylinders if you haggle your suppliers down. And I always go with Vaillant on the boiler. Very reliable in my experience.

I had some problems with a couple of ideal boilers a few years back. Not used them since then not sure how much they have improved.

 

[mat_wye]

Now I'm really confused.

Do any of the knowledgeable peeps live near Bognor Regis? ?