Boiler changes

[hammers4spanner]

Last few years this get a boiler fitted for a grand mob seems to be springing up from everywhere.

Had a few breakdowns this winter on older appliances where they have decided just as well get a new one only costs a grand to get a new boiler.They have decided the price before i have even given them a quote as recently these adverts around here are everywhere .Spoke to the suppliers and they say that loads of mobs are now doing the grand a boiler thing.

Anyone here affected by this or doing these installs??

 

[woodsy]

Yep, except round here, there offering boilers fitted for between £850 and £895 !!!!

 

[Rickster123]

I blame ray selling boilers far too cheaply...:biggrin5:

 

[Millsy 82]

Yep, except round here, there offering boilers fitted for between £850 and £895 !!!!

What boilers are them? I can't see how anyone can do that and still earn more than or even the same as on the books

 

[woodsy]

Ravenheat, Vokera excel, heatline all around the £400 ish plus vat to buy- must be at least half a dozen under £900 in the local magazine alone .

 

[Millsy 82]

How much labour do you put on?

My way of looking £400 plus flue plus chemicals and vat etc you are soon up to £800

 

[hammers4spanner]

Ravenheat, Vokera excel, heatline all around the £400 ish plus vat to buy- must be at least half a dozen under £900 in the local magazine alone .

Loads like that around here as well

 

[Millsy 82]

Loads like that around here as well

To me though the lowest I can do properly and earn a living would be £1100 anything below that something is not being done.

 

[woodsy]

I haven't got involved in doing them at that yet as it's just a race to the bottom but when you keep losing jobs it's hard not to consider it as the mortgage has to be paid.

 

[woodsy]

To me though the lowest I can do properly and earn a living would be £1100 anything below that something is not being done.

That's where I normally start and try and up sell but all I seem to get is, but they are £200 plus cheaper even though I explain the future problems. Beginning to think if ya can't beat em ........ but it really goes against the grain.

 

[Millsy 82]

That's where I normally start and try and up sell but all I seem to get is, but they are £200 plus cheaper even though I explain the future problems. Beginning to think if ya can't beat em ........ but it really goes against the grain.

Yeah I do the same start off with a Vokera and then work upwards of that.

I swear some people must charge £150 a day some of the prices I've seen and if I'm going to earn that before expenses I would be looking for a job!

I was speaking to the bloke behind the counter at screwfix and he said he knew of someone charging £100 a day! I said duck that I would rather work for a company,

 

[woodsy]

Too many people looking at short term wages and not factoring in the costs of running a business long term

 

[Last Plumber]

These muppets either burn out, fade away or get wise and charge properly. Trouble is, the damage they do to established legitimate businesses whilst they're in the dimwit period.

 

[Tonycane]

They get found out eventually, then we get paid to put the shoddy work right. You get what you pay for

 

[hammers4spanner]

They get found out eventually, then we get paid to put the shoddy work right. You get what you pay for

Do they tho?

They been around a while same mobs

 

[voivod]

and they can do powerflushing in that time??? Not for me. Rather not have those jobs

 

[Last Plumber]

Not just that sir no !
Last one I lost a good 20 year customer to was as follows:-
Flush
New Worcester junior
New TRV + LSV all round
Programmable RF stat
Inhibitor
First fix plumbing to en suite
Vertical flue.
Reposition boiler.
Convert from conventional to combi ( usual stuff )
Remove and disposing idea e type ( lumps behind your ears )
Remove asbestos flue.

Their price was less than I can provide materials alone.

How ?
How ?
I still don't get it ?

Got to be knocked off boiler or just plain stupid ?

 

[Tonycane]

Probably nicked from there day job!

 

[julesverne]

Too many people looking at short term wages and not factoring in the costs of running a business long term

And retirement.

 

[julesverne]

Like woodsy say plenty round where we live doing boilers for peanuts. You just have to try and rise above it. Most of em fitting vokera excels inc flue @ £454.00 inc vat near me.
Such a pile of shoot. Bit you get what you pay for. There is people that will pay for good job but it aint easy.

 

[julesverne]

Do they tho?

They been around a while same mobs

Yep they stay around because it easy to make a living. But to make a profit and save for future now that costs.

 

[Tonycane]

Think of all the breakdowns when these cheap ****e boilers start packing up.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Are these company's getting backing from somewhere ? as they seem to be larger than sole traders or small set-ups, is it something underhanded going on with BG to force out the little guy ? the ones I have seen around Plymouth seem to spend a lot on advertising one even has a shop, has well as some new vans plastered with slogans, and I cant see how they are doing it without major backing !

 

[hammers4spanner]

Are these company's getting backing from somewhere ? as they seem to be larger than sole traders or small set-ups, is it something underhanded going on with BG to force out the little guy ? the ones I have seen around Plymouth seem to spend a lot on advertising one even has a shop, has well as some new vans plastered with slogans, and I cant see how they are doing it without major backing !

I know one firm is right in with a local rep

 

[jtsplumbing]

Been 2-3 these vans around Tavistock in the past couple of weeks