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Copied and amended from a previous post of mine as many people still don't understand the difference so to try to help people understand....enjoy
C&G is NOT a qualification, it is an awarding body. They do L1 construction multi skills, so in theory you could do this simple course and say you are C&G qualified in all areas of construction eh? Wouldn't carry much weight would it, but you would be telling the truth. Would you consider this misleading?
So when somebody says to me "I have my C&G" I say so what, which one?
Who do you think is the awarding body for the NVQ? ys thats right, C&G, so is the question, whats the difference between C&G and C&G?
I think most people are calling the 6129 Tech Cert the C&G's. The 6089 NVQ is the full qualification, the 6129 is the college based stuff required for underpinning knowledge. it was only designed to get people in training on the underpinning knowledge and they were supposed to all go on and get the full 6089 NVQ. Many centres offered the 6129 TC and then told people you have your C&G go out there now. In many ways it ruined the course for its true intentions, a 6129 is aa very good underpinning course but is sold as a full qualification because it is a 'C&Gs', this is wrong.
The NVQ 6089 can be done directly without the 6129 TC, but this is rare for 2 reasons. The 'direct' qualification is difficult to achieve on its own and the 6129 TC reduced the amount of on-site work required to be provided and is therefore the easier way to complete. Once you have a 6129 TC you only need to 'upgrade' it to a 6089, much of the work is done as part of the tech cert
It led to people going getting employment as plumbers, the plumbing trade then found the new 6129 TC people as poorly skilled, not their fault as they have only done 75% of the full qualification (6089)l. this gave the 6129 a bad name and forced centres into calling it a 'C&G' qualification to give it more credibility. The sector skills council summitskills who work with employers realised this they designed the new qual without a tech cert (6129). therefrore all that can be gained now is a 6189 nvq diploma and yes it is C&G's
Hope this helps, I think its the centres who mislead, always remember C&G is NOT a qualification but an awarding body, you can get the same quals from other awarding bodies, EAL are considered the largest provider of qualifications and are recognized as the market leader in quals by many providers, they also offer tech certs and nvqs in plumbing which are judged to be better, problem with our sector is people think C&G is a qualification so if you said I have an EAL would it carry the same weight? Probably not but no reason why it shouldnt, will it in time? I dont know, id like to think so. We need to evolve and improve our knowledge os certificates etc, as the government once said education, education, education.
Remember that the NVQ is the replacement for the previous recognised C&G's craft cert (NVQ2) and C&G's advanced craft (NVQ3) and not the Tech Cert, thats only 70% of it.
I've taken lots of qualifications in the past, paid for most myself, all I enjoyed and thats why I seem to know a lot about qualifications and providers. Thats what i base my experience on, happy to help if i can
C&G is NOT a qualification, it is an awarding body. They do L1 construction multi skills, so in theory you could do this simple course and say you are C&G qualified in all areas of construction eh? Wouldn't carry much weight would it, but you would be telling the truth. Would you consider this misleading?
So when somebody says to me "I have my C&G" I say so what, which one?
Who do you think is the awarding body for the NVQ? ys thats right, C&G, so is the question, whats the difference between C&G and C&G?
I think most people are calling the 6129 Tech Cert the C&G's. The 6089 NVQ is the full qualification, the 6129 is the college based stuff required for underpinning knowledge. it was only designed to get people in training on the underpinning knowledge and they were supposed to all go on and get the full 6089 NVQ. Many centres offered the 6129 TC and then told people you have your C&G go out there now. In many ways it ruined the course for its true intentions, a 6129 is aa very good underpinning course but is sold as a full qualification because it is a 'C&Gs', this is wrong.
The NVQ 6089 can be done directly without the 6129 TC, but this is rare for 2 reasons. The 'direct' qualification is difficult to achieve on its own and the 6129 TC reduced the amount of on-site work required to be provided and is therefore the easier way to complete. Once you have a 6129 TC you only need to 'upgrade' it to a 6089, much of the work is done as part of the tech cert
It led to people going getting employment as plumbers, the plumbing trade then found the new 6129 TC people as poorly skilled, not their fault as they have only done 75% of the full qualification (6089)l. this gave the 6129 a bad name and forced centres into calling it a 'C&G' qualification to give it more credibility. The sector skills council summitskills who work with employers realised this they designed the new qual without a tech cert (6129). therefrore all that can be gained now is a 6189 nvq diploma and yes it is C&G's
Hope this helps, I think its the centres who mislead, always remember C&G is NOT a qualification but an awarding body, you can get the same quals from other awarding bodies, EAL are considered the largest provider of qualifications and are recognized as the market leader in quals by many providers, they also offer tech certs and nvqs in plumbing which are judged to be better, problem with our sector is people think C&G is a qualification so if you said I have an EAL would it carry the same weight? Probably not but no reason why it shouldnt, will it in time? I dont know, id like to think so. We need to evolve and improve our knowledge os certificates etc, as the government once said education, education, education.
Remember that the NVQ is the replacement for the previous recognised C&G's craft cert (NVQ2) and C&G's advanced craft (NVQ3) and not the Tech Cert, thats only 70% of it.
I've taken lots of qualifications in the past, paid for most myself, all I enjoyed and thats why I seem to know a lot about qualifications and providers. Thats what i base my experience on, happy to help if i can
