Can I work on this set up in a restaurant?

[Sharp Point]

Morning guys n gals,

I’ve been asked to price a boiler install ( Logic 30) in a restaurant. Take out old combi. The meter is a u16 with 28mm coming off, there’s a commercial cooker on the floor above about 2m away from the meter and the boiler comes off the 28mm and is about 5m run.

I know it’s embarrassing to ask, but I’ve been bitten before and had HSE on my case.... although I ran things by Gas safe.

Thanks

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Is there separate iso onto the gas line eg before the boiler ?

 

[Sharp Point]

Yes, a big lever valve. I guess I can test in section then?

 

[Scott_D]

Yes, a big lever valve. I guess I can test in section then?

Does it isolate the cooker?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yes, a big lever valve. I guess I can test in section then?

Won’t need to test / cert the commercial size

As you have a lever valve before your appliance which leaves the others still live / functional your fine to change it on a Dom qualification

 

[Sharp Point]

Does it isolate the cooker?

I think it’s straight off the meter outlet. I can fit a lever valve feeding the cooker though

 

[Scott_D]

I think it’s straight off the meter outlet. I can fit a lever valve feeding the cooker though

But you can’t purge, relight, check the cooker after disrupting the gas supply

 

[Sharp Point]

But you can’t purge, relight, check the cooker after disrupting the gas supply

I can, but do you mean within the realms of the law. Im sure the cooker has piezo ignition

 

[Scott_D]

I can, but do you mean within the realms of the law. Im sure the cooker has piezo ignition

Yes
Also worth checking with the manufacturer. Some don’t cover the warranty if the boiler is fitted in a non domestic property

 

[Sharp Point]

Yes
Also worth checking with the manufacturer. Some don’t cover the warranty if the boiler is fitted in a non domestic property

Wow, didn’t know that.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yes you can’t touch sorry you can employ a commercial engy to fit a lever valve before the boiler tho

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I can, but do you mean within the realms of the law. Im sure the cooker has piezo ignition

You have to cert / make sure it’s running correctly

 

[Sharp Point]

So if I get a valve installed by a commercial chap, do boiler then get a commercial chap to test the cooker after I’ve TT everything downstream of the valve?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

So if I get a valve installed by a commercial chap, do boiler then get a commercial chap to test the cooker after I’ve TT everything downstream of the valve?

Get the commercial chap to install the valve before the boiler

Then get him to test and cert his side eg installing a new valve and relight

Then you can install your boiler under a Dom ticket

 

[Mastermixlee]

Not had much experience with commercial premises with domestic boilers but would there be anything in public liability insurance that could affect this also?

As public liability agreements also ask for what sector your work entails (domestic or commercial environments)?

 

[Sharp Point]

Not had much experience with commercial premises with domestic boilers but would there be anything in public liability insurance that could affect this also?

As public liability agreements also ask for what sector your work entails (domestic or commercial environments)?

I’d like to think that question is what type of work you are qualified to do... domestic or commercial. If the gas safe laws say that I’m qualified to carry out what Shaun says, then gas safe will be happy and the HSE.... so then it’s all legal and above board.

 

[Mastermixlee]

Yeah I get the legal side of being registered to do the work, just curious as whether the liability insurance would actually still cover it.... It is an insurance after all, and we all know how finicky they can be with definitions and get outs lol.

 

[Sharp Point]

Yeah I get the legal side of being registered to do the work, just curious as whether the liability insurance would actually still cover it.. It is an insurance after all, and we all know how finicky they can be with definitions and get outs lol.

I’ll look at my insurance details tonight

 

[ShaunCorbs]

tbh i would say insurance wise your working on what you normally are a boiler

 

[Mastermixlee]

tbh i would say insurance wise your working on what you normally are a boiler

Worth checking either way I'd say. As if you take your car on a race track your still driving a car, but due to environment being different your insurance doesn't cover it.

I know BG won't allow domestic side to work commercial properties with domestic sized boilers and one of their justifications was to do with insurance allocated for service and repair side being different from the commercial/business division.

 

[EvilDrPorkChop]

I'd say it's a very grey area, and the main reason we sent one of our engineers on the Commercial course even though we don't do commercial installations. When gas safe inspected us they couldn't even give us an answer about domestic boilers in commercial properties. We got it to cover ourselves as we have some customers that we install combis etc in offices etc. Properties that are domestic houses/flat but used as offices - the law/rules really aren't clear when an installation becomes commercial IMO.

I know someone who was done by HSE for issuing a Gas Safety Certificate for a Nursery. Domestic Boiler, Domestic pipework/G4 Meter, Domestic 4 burner hob (That you find in any domestic property) but as the hob was feeding more than X amount of people they classed it as commercial.

 

[Ollieg]

This is a good thread and should be mad e a sticky. So many people not sure about this stuff

 

[Harvest Fields]

Is that an option @ShaunCorbs ?