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Hi all,

I went to a customers property yesterday afternoon where they are having to re pressurise the combi at least once a week.

as there was good access under the floor boards I crawled about checking all central heating pipework. I then checked the drain off valve. All was bone dry. I can only assume at the moment that the upstairs heating pipes are also fine as there is no sign of a leak on the ceiling. I then concentrated on the boiler. Disconnected a fitting at the pressure relief valve (plastic pipe by the way which I will need to replace) and found there to be a little water in it. The pipe runs the length of the attic and through the wall so asked the customer to stand outside while I blew through the pipe. In doing so the customer witnessed a waterfall of water come out the pipe for the 3 seconds or so. Great I thought, prv is passing by. I left a little container under the open ended pipe and asked him to check it in a few hours or so and reconnect the plastic bend again. Although I was certain this was the cause it was just to make sure.


so I then get an email this morning letting me know unfortunately the pressure has went back down to zero! However the container is bone dry. Slightly confused now as to why water was in the prv pipework but this isn't the cause. And the 1.5 pressure I re pressurised it to is now back to zero. It then surely goes back to a leak elsewhere?

any suggestions would be great
 
Inside the boiler appeared to be bone dry. It wouldn't go straight out condensate pipe if it was cracked would it? Would it not just come into boiler casing
 
I haven't come across it myself but from what I've been told, it can leak internally and go straight out the condensate. Won't necessarily be any signs of a leak in the boiler. Isolate the flow and return at the boiler, leave it overnight and if the pressure still drops then this is more than likely the cause. If it doesn't drop it will be somewhere else on the system
 
Yes that unfortunately sounds the next option, unluckily for them it's an old house and needs heating so they won't like that idea lol.

If it isn't in the boiler, and it is somewhere on the system I dread to think where I start. Downstairs is fine, upstairs like I say must be fine. Only other place is where the pipes drop down from attic all the way down the pipe boxing and a possibility of it being in there
 
If it's that desperate a situation to find, why not try some leak sealer? Could be a cheap option
 
You might not need to isolate the boiler overnight. If it's losing 1.5 bar over 24 hours, you will probably notice a drop over a couple of hours
 
You might not need to isolate the boiler overnight. If it's losing 1.5 bar over 24 hours, you will probably notice a drop over a couple of hours

Leak sealer is worth a shot, however if it's losing pressure that quick I doubt it will fix it but it's certainly an option before I start drastic work which I of course want to avoid
 
PutPut pressure up to 2.5 then isolate boiler, run hot water, heat causes heatex to expand. Is it not under warranty ?
 
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Unsure if it is under warranty as yet. I would assume so though as it doesn't look more than a year or two. I will try isolating it and see if it's that and if it is boiler I will get him to get in touch with the installer.

The expansion vessel is fine silentmike. And even it was this surely that would be opening the prv anyway?
 
Depends if it split could take the pressure away from the first fill I suppose but if the boilers not old then it's unlikely but why was the prv letting by on a fairly new boiler overfilled or filling loop letting bye?
 
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Depends if it split could take the pressure away from the first fill I suppose but if the boilers not old then it unlikely but way was the prv letting by on a fairly new boiler overfilled or filling loop letting bye?


Ive be no idea mate, that was in stumping me. The prv pipe gores maybe 3/4 metres then outside, in plastic pipe so it's not clipped or anything. That pipe was near enough full and this is why I straight away I though prv letting by, the filling valves definitely aren't letting by. Pressure isn't increasing , only dropping
 
Hex is most likely then like others have said I've seen them fail after 6 months before
 
I've heard of heat exchangers going on these. Leaking down the condense. So would also suggest that.
 
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