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Hi all,

need some advice please.
what is the diffrent between C&G plumbing level2,3 (6189) and NVQ plumbing level 2,3?
are they the same?
do i need to get C&G certificate level 2 and 3 to jump to NVQ Level 2?
if yes, thats mean took me 6 years to be qualified as a plumber?
and also what sort of certificate to get registered as a Gas Safe Registed, is C&G L2,3 certificate will recognise? or do i have to get NVQ L2,3 to registerd as gas Safe Registered?


thanks before.
 
Ok, first of all the question does not make sense. C&G is NOT a qualification, it is an awarding body. they do L1 multi skills, so in theory you could do this simple course and say you are C&G qualified in all areas of construction eh? Wouldn't carry much weight would it, but you would be telling the truth. Would you consider this misleading?
So when somebody says to me i have my C&G i say so what, which one?
Who do you think is the awarding body for the NVQ? ys thats right, C&G, so is the question, whats the difference between C&G and C&G?

I think you mean what is the difference between the tech cert 6129 and nvq 6089. The 6089 NVQ is the full qualification, the 6129 is the college based stuff required for underpinning knowledge. it was only designed to get people in training on the underpinning knowledge and they were supposed to all go on and get the full 6089 NVQ. Many centres offered the 6129 TC and then told people you have your C&G go out there now. in many ways it ruined the course for its true intentions, a 6129 is aa very good underpinning course but is sold as a full qualification because it is a 'C&Gs', this is wrong.

The NVQ 6089 can be done directly without the 6129 TC, but this is rare for 2 reasons. The 'direct' qualification is difficult to achieve on its own and the 6129 TC reduced the amount of on-site work required to be provided and is therefore the easier way to complete. Once you have a 6129 TC you only need to 'upgrade' it to a 6089, much of the work is done as part of the tech cert
It led to people going getting employment as plumbers, the plumbing trade then found the new 6129 TC people as poorly skilled, not their fault as they have only done 75% of the full qualification (6089)l. this gave the 6129 a bad name and forced centres into calling it a 'C&G' qualification to give it more credibility. The sector skills council summitskills who work with employers realised this they designed the new qual without a tech cert (6129). therefrore all that can be gained now is a 6189 nvq diploma and yes it is C&G's

Hope this helps, not your fault you dont know the difference, its the centres who mislead, always remember C&G is NOT a qualification but an awarding body, you can get the same quals from other awarding bodies, EAL are considered the largest provider of qualifications and are recognized as the market leader in quals by many providers, they also offer tech certs and nvqs in plumbing which are judged to be better, problem with our sector is people think C&G is a qualification so if you said I have an EAL would it carry the same weight? Probably not but no reason why it shouldnt, will it in time? I dont know, id like to think so. We need to evolve and improve our knowledge os certificates etc, as the government once said education, education, education
 
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C&G's are the technical college based certificate. NVQ's are the work based ones. Seperately they're not much good but combined they form the level 2 plumbing qualification.
 
joosabob, you obviously haven't read my post, C&G's??????????? C&G is an awarding body, it is NOT a definitive qualifiction, you are calling a technical certificate a C&G? who do you think is the awarding body for the nvq?
 
Hi fuzzy,

thanks for explanation,
according to LBC, C&G 6129 TC (2 years) Leeds College of Building | plumbing- | plumbing

then i can upgrade to NVQ 6089 (2years) i have to be employed to get NVQ L2
thats allready 4 years.
then i have to get NVQ L3 (1 year)
in total 5 years to get proper qualification.
and now am already 30, by the time i am 35 ill be qualified as plumber.
thats too long for me to,
is there any other way to get quicker?
am fed up being a postman!!
 
if you have a 6129 it will not take 2 years to get the 6089. as explained 70% of the 6089 is in the 6129, therefore you can say you have 70% of the nvq. you only have to do the extra 30% which is the onsite stuff. all that work is yours, so if it takes you 2 years its because you are lazy, its achieveable in 3 months if you work hard.

all academic as nobody can run the 6129 or 6089 after this month
 
i see,

as you said, no body can run 6129 C&G or 6089
so what sort of courses after this month then?

thanks a lot fuzzy.
 

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