disconnecting shower pump from fused spur

[plumberpete]

does anyone know if you need any special qualifications for removing a shower pump from a fused spur.the spark on site is pulling a fast one over us plumbers.he is saying we cant remove the pump from the spur and he then comes back later on and removes the pump for himself despite the plumbers disconnecting the water side.hes a fly git.

 

[stoker122]

Can't see any reason you can't remove it.
If you were changing the pump you could disconnect and rewire a new one, right?

 

[Mike Jackson]

No, the spark is pulling a fast one. Take a dump in his tool box.

 

[Best]

Would be interesting to know for sure, but I guess a plumber is not insured to touch electric. If it was just a plug, then no bother.
When you open a spur switch, you are working close to the live power unless you turn it off at the consumer unit. But, how can you be sure it's off, without properly testing it? That's probably a sparks argument.
It is obviously an easy job for anyone with half a brain (a spark :smile & a bit of electrical experience, but you have to assume that cables can be live. I have seen 2 spur switches on different houses that were wired wrong & not actually turning the power off.
Kitchen firms often do not join to a spur because they are not insured for electrics.

 

[stoker122]

Would be interesting to know for sure, but I guess a plumber is not insured to touch electric. If it was just a plug, then no bother.
When you open a spur switch, you are working close to the live power unless you turn it off at the consumer unit. But, how can you be sure it's off, without properly testing it? That's probably a sparks argument.
It is obviously an easy job for anyone with half a brain & a bit of electrical experience, but you have to assume that cables can be live. I have seen 2 spur switches on different houses that were wired wrong & not actually turning the power off.

Obviously easy for anyone with half a brain, a spark can do it!

 

[Best]

Obviously easy for anyone with half a brain, a spark can do it!

Lol! - I had edited that in later!

 

[plumberpete]

Can't see any reason you can't remove it.
If you were changing the pump you could disconnect and rewire a new one, right?

that is exactly what we have said to him we can even turn off the power but he is sticking to his story.its like him saying that combi boiler is mine as its wired in.

 

[Best]

Can't see any reason you can't remove it.
If you were changing the pump you could disconnect and rewire a new one, right?

You would for sure. People would wonder why you had brought a spark with you to disconnect 3 wires & then wait around till you had the new pump fitted & then connect 3 wires!
Would a spark who is changing an electric shower turn the water off, disconnect & reconnect the water supply to it? - You bet he would!

 

[AWheating]

A few years ago i worked for a firm that used to pay us £10 for temping the new boilers up after installation so the tennants had heating and hot water overnight untill the sparks came the next day to wire.

Then the company decided they would rather not pay us the £10, they told us all the excuse that they could not be seen paying a plumber to do a sparks work as this leaves them in a vulnerable position. They then gave the sparks £5 extra to check any temps we made.

So the sparks was £5 up and the plumbers were £10 down. The sparks thought it was great and rubbed it in telling us we are not competent to wire a plug.

so what to do??

the next boiler i fitted i temped up and commissioned as normal, at 5pm i was finished and packed up,the sparks was normally home by this time. The last thing i did was explain the boiler and its controls to the tennant, then infront of them i cut the plug off the boiler and put it in my pocket. I then gave the tennant the emergency call out number for the electrician and told them plumbers cant wire them up and it must be done by the sparks, phone this number and they will come and sort it out.

once the sparks and the company realised it was going to cause them alot of problems they decided it would be best to give the plumbers the £10 back



Plumbers and heating engineers are competent to disconnect and isolate plumbing equipment, you do not need an electrical qualification to disconnect the shower pump. Why not insist that the electrical supply be disconnected before you can do your work? a stray live or faulty earth to the pump could leave you getting a shock so it must be isolated first. you should not work on any equpiment or appliance before its electricaly isolated. Disrupted the sparks day in the morning and he will soon wish he never started anything

 

[stoker122]

We are allowed to check for polarity, mains earth continuity and short circuit before even working on and diagnosing possible electrical faults on boilers that most sparks wouldn't have a clue about, but can't wire a plug.
The blue flash kid is a:clown: