Domestic or Commercial?

[Davinder]

I've got this job in an office block, where I handle there maintenace requirements and they've asked me if I can service there boiler.

Now there's two Remeha Quinta 45 linked together via a low loss header. My question is, as there two 45Kw boilers linked together do i count it as a 90Kw instalation and need someone with a commercial ticket, or as each individual boiler is only 45Kw a domestic ticket will be ok?

 

[Masood]

AFAIK it's the KW of the entire installation, not individual appliances. So it would fall under commercial regs. Someone with more definite knowledge will no doubt be along shortly...

 

[Masood]

Also, if you are GSR, send a prvate message to Redsaw or Gas Man and get into the GSR-only forum. If you're not, then you can't work on the boilers anyway!

 

[Davinder]

Thanks for the quick reply.

Also, if you are GSR, send a prvate message to Redsaw or Gas Man and get into the GSR-only forum. If you're not, then you can't work on the boilers anyway!

No I havent got my tickets yet, but the bloke I'm doing my training with only has domestic tickets. which is why I'm wondering if I need to get someone with commercial.

QUOTE=Masood;628695]AFAIK it's the KW of the entire installation, not individual appliances. So it would fall under commercial regs. Someone with more definite knowledge will no doubt be along shortly...[/QUOTE]

I'm leaning that why too, Especially considering the pipe size of the gas (think it was about 2") and gas meter. But thought I'd ask on here to make sure.

 

[Ermintrude]

If there in a plant room it's commercial. If the two appliances have isolation valves below them and are not in a plant room then a domestic will be perfectly legal working on them. But chances are that they are in a plant room which requires air changes, which aren't on domestic.

 

[Davinder]

If there in a plant room it's commercial. If the two appliances have isolation valves below them and are not in a plant room then a domestic will be perfectly legal working on them. But chances are that they are in a plant room which requires air changes, which aren't on domestic.

Yes there in there own seperate room. I didn't see any seperate equipment for A/C or air changers, but there where some normal air vents to the outside, is that what you mean?

So all things considered, are we saying It's a commercial instalation. If so I'd rather offer the job to someone on the forum first, It's In bedford town center (behind Lidls).

 

[Dotty]

It's commercial.

Total installation output is greater than 70kw.

 

[Davinder]

It's commercial.

Total installation output is greater than 70kw.

Thanks Croppie.

Like I said I'd rather offer the job to someone on the forum first, as UKPF has helped me out quite a bit, so this is my way of giving back.

It's a Boiler service in bedford with:
X2 Remeha Quinta 45's

If anyone is interested Please either PM me or ring me on: 07854 060472

And thanks to everyone whos helped out.

 

[mutley racers]

It's commercial.

Total installation output is greater than 70kw.

I thought we could work on as many appliances as possible as long as each appliance was less than 70kw?

 

[mfgs]

This remeha is branded as a commercial appliance so regardless of the kw output you cannot work on it.

 

[Davinder]

So It's official guys, It's Commercial.

So anyone with the right tickets interested in the job? Ideally If someone would be happy to do it about this time every year, that would be great. (one less thing to worry about)

 

[Roger Welton]

As MFGS says as the Quinta is commercial appliance even if there was just the one 45kW it would still be commercial

 

[mutley racers]

This remeha is branded as a commercial appliance so regardless of the kw output you cannot work on it.

True! But if it wasn't, it is ok a

 

[Ermintrude]

Don't always take branding too seriously! Ferolli market some of their boilers as cutting edge and efficient . Ok what say if it was two ideal logic 30s in a plant room ? Domestic boiler but 100% commercial

 

[mutley racers]

I would say commercial as it's in a plant room

 

[Dotty]

Don't always take branding too seriously! Ferolli market some of their boilers as cutting edge and efficient . Ok what say if it was two ideal logic 30s in a plant room ? Domestic boiler but 100% commercial

I've now got 4 spanking new Ferolli's sitting in two of my boilerhouses, 2 of which had faults out of the box.

I give them 18 months.

 

[Killy Bing]

Just had this disagreement on the gas engineers forum

under a u16 meter, 35 lites of gas and pipework under 35mm is domestic regardless of location installed.
that changes it when appliances are over 70kw or the appliance is branded commercial.
above those you are working from ige up 1a upto 1m3
above 1m3 is ige up 1

i might add you need your insurances to cover for Commercial locations !!!

seems to be confusing people.
plant room doesn't automatically = commercial

 

[Ermintrude]

I've now got 4 spanking new Ferolli's sitting in two of my boilerhouses, 2 of which had faults out of the box.

I give them 18 months.

Be Jesus u added another wing to cropperton hall? Why didn't you consolidate and go with the 2mw bio mass plants?

 

[Ermintrude]

Just had this disagreement on the gas engineers forum

under a u16 meter, 35 lites of gas and pipework under 35mm is domestic regardless of location installed.
that changes it when appliances are over 70kw or the appliance is branded commercial.
above those you are working from ige up 1a upto 1m3
above 1m3 is ige up 1

i might add you need your insurances to cover for Commercial locations !!!

seems to be confusing people.
plant room doesn't automatically = commercial

No but a plant room with two Andrews water heaters in does! You can legally install a domestic boiler on a commercial gas carcass with a volume in excess of a zillion litres if there is a test point and isolation point down stream of your equipment and your working in a permitted location. I did a boiler swap in a laundry no to long ago. I called technical as I was sure I shouldn't but they said asking as from test point to boiler is within my scope jog on!

Keston c50 was branded as light commercial but lots and lots if them in houses on u16 with 28mm tube !

 

[Killy Bing]

Fully agree ermi !!
You treat it as an AECV and off you go
but theres such confusion about where domestic ends and commercial starts!

 

[Ermintrude]

Commercial starts when the clips for gas pipe ain't plastic!

 

[Killy Bing]

Commercial starts when the clips for gas pipe ain't plastic!

So all my jobs with external gas runs are commercial? Damn'it!

 

[Ermintrude]

U clip external gas runs? Why just means you have to fix holes where the nomads yanked off Munson rings, when you re pipe.

 

[Killy Bing]

U clip external gas runs? Why just means you have to fix holes where the nomads yanked off Munson rings, when you re pipe.

If its anyway visible then it gets waste pipe slipped over the top.
or it will go in steel!

 

[Ermintrude]

Freck that just do it the pro way talon clips and denso. Why the hell people use denso on copper on external runs I do not know. "To protect it from corrosion" - what your wrapping copper in denso to protect it from water? HELP!