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Is it just me but could we all do with knocking down prices.

For instance, 20p off fuel, would mean 10p off milk and postage and eggs and bread i.e.
the daily essentials.

why not put that extra 20p on the ****/ booze/ chocolate.

why is it that we pay so much for lifes essentials? why not charge the people who dont earn any money, so they are so far in debt they end up getting a job?

I would definetly knock 50p off every hour if it meant somebody working at a dead end job, supporting 5 kids and claiming nothing could afford to eat next week.

And I would definetly pay an extra 10p per litre of milk if it meant farmers could afford to live and milk still got produced in this country. Why is this country so obsessed with money. why cant we just accept a fair price for a fair job.

Farmers get up at 6am, work on the farm until 6-7pm and do it because they love to do it. When will this country start looking after our own and stop helping everyone else out?

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excuse me old son, I milked cows (250) a few years back before I was a gsr techie to keep the wolf from the door and I got up at 0430 to get to see the girls at 0430, finished with them at 0915 and off to work with a certain perfume the customers failed to recognise as I wafted in. then if needed back to the farm at 1600 to repeat the whole thing and finish around 1900, less milk in the evening session! Bed before the 9 oclock news! Love had nothing to do with it, purely for the money and the cows were better company than most customers
 
There's too many people out there making a living on benefit, whilst there are so many on benefit of one type or another the tax has to be high. Then too many companies profiteering, fuel costs go down in summer and up in winter, its a vicious cycle, then large concerns, amazon, starbucks legally avoiding tax.

I believe in a revoloution, the whole country needs a good shake up. Government policy is pointless and unfair on the working class.

How can someone work very hard, earn a fortune give up 50% in tax, buy there house and then the government want to ask them to pay a mansion tax!

LETS REVOLT!
 
I wouldn't take a pay cut for anybody. Things in this country are expensive and they'll only get worse. We have to pay to support those who don't want to work etc. it's not nice, but its the truth.
 
Most of those inflated prices goes on tax, the farmer, the petrol forecourt franchise etc, only get a small profit from it.

Diesel prices are shocking and could easily come down by up to 20p per litre, but they won't as the price has now been fixed.
 
Nice idea jase158, but I suspect someone would put a spanner in the works by grabbing the opportunity to increase their profits.

I firmly believe (always have and always will) that the best way for Britain to get itself out of the brown stuff is to turn this country into a fertile land that enables industries to grow from the bottom up.

Britain has been set up to attract the rich on the basis that if the wealthier get wealthier then that must be good for the little people down on the ground, and its a philosophy that has failed abysmally.

The over-focus on service industry has led to the Starbucks scenario, i.e. people being paid the minimum wage, many of them needing to claim state benefits in order to survive on such low income, and then the cheeky beggars raking it in slide out of paying their taxes.

The media constantly spotlight people who claim benefits in order to keep those who make fortunes while they sleep in the shadows.

The thing that is currently crippling Britain is that good old capitalist nice little earner called: 'interest'!

It's not just the money that was borrowed to bail out the bankers that is dragging us down, the problem becomes bigger everyday because of the interest being piled up on the debt day by day.

While this capitalist’s bonanza makes the lenders enormous fortunes while they sleep (how many documentaries have you seen about that?) small businesses in this country are being starved of the working capital they need to expand, or even to keep going in some cases.

Privatisation of the Public utilities has been a disaster for this country, the domestic consumer, and industry are now being ripped of by six companies who share a monopoly between them. Having boasted of their enormous profits over many years, they now tell us that we will have to pay even more for our energy because they have fail to invest past profits in developing energy sources for the future. The watery industry has become a joke with hosepipe bans after a few days of sunshine in the summer months, and unnecessary flooding in the winter due to poor drainage when we get heavy rain. However, no matter how much rain we get in the winter months there will always be hosepipe bans because the people responsible let it leak away through ill-maintained pipe work, which combined with not updating reservoir size with growth of populations, means that these industries can continually bang the drum for water meters so they can rip-off people off even more by charging for the stuff that falls out of the sky by the litre.

The bottom line is that all of the political parties in Britain over the past 30 years have followed an economic plan based on self-interest and the idea that Britain can be a healthy economy by following policies of: "rip-off your neighbour" while ignoring the bigger picture.

New Labour based their economic policy on this perverse version of Keynesian economics, and stood by and watched as what was left of British industry after the Thatcherite years slid into oblivion. They seem to believe that Britain could prosper from a casino/ coffee-shop culture where the doors were thrown open to make Britain a safe-harbour for those who make fortunes while they sleep. The rest is history.

Britain's future now rest in the very unsafe hands of three college boys: Ed, Nick, and Dave. I'm not religious, but I have started praying!

I’ve never been a devotee of Michael Heseltine, but have to admit that he’s now one of the few people who seem to have some idea of expanding Britain’s wealth instead of constantly slashing and burning the various structures that support working people. The other person who seems to have some idea is Vince Cable, however, it seems that too many of the great British public have been duped into thinking that industry is a thing of the past in Britain to take any notice of them.

We need to put a complete ban on half-witted politicians tripping over to American only to return with another no-brainer idea for screwing up the British way of life, and start looking at the ways in which Germany has sustained it’s industries, and it would make sense to start taking a few leaves out of China’s industrial/ economic policies, who ironically in many ways, are doing what Britain once did.

Create work (more industry) that supports prosperity, train people properly, pay a living wage, and the number of people on benefits will shrink rapidly, and we will all be better off.

I found your post heartening jase, because it was good to read something that gave some thought to other people instead the more usual me, me, me, self-interested stuff that is so common these days.
 
Couldn't agree more. China have a huge import tax on products, why we don't return the favour is beyond me. Having said that it's all about the people with money making more. This would bring in more revenue or make importing to expensive, perhaps bringing some manufacturing home. My kids are 12 and 14 and fairly bright, but unless they do really well they won't be able afford a mortgage. Like loads of other school leavers and students from higher education who will be in debt before they even get a job. My mum and dad are in there seventys, if they go into a home they'll have to sell there house to pay for care under the current rules. Why? They've worked hard payed there taxes and paid there mortgage. But if they were renting or on benefits there whole life they wouldn't. And if you don't vote for the usual party's your made to feel like a racist half wit. The current system doesn't work, it peeks and troughs, just look at America. They boast about being the best country in the world,but they people living in poverty and without the right to medical care. Who knows what's going to happen but it doesn't look great.
 
I wouldn't take
a pay cut for anybody. Things in this country are expensive and they'll only get worse. We have to pay to support those who don't want to work etc. it's not nice, but its the truth.

But this is my exact point, if everyone was to cut 20p from everything we would then be paying less as well as receiving less.
But the producer of these products will be 20p better off. (it will never happen but I believe this is all it would take for us all to make a difference to our economy) 20p per litre of milk = billions of pounds difference to the economy.

Most of those inflated prices goes on tax, the farmer, the petrol forecourt franchise etc, only get a small profit from it.
Diesel prices are shocking and could easily come down by up to 20p per litre, but they won't as the price has now been fixed.
exactly my point again, reduce the fuel by 20p per litre and this will save companies millions of pounds. (again never happen but 2 small things and the county would be out of reccession.
 
And the country is going to brown stuff and it is right in front of us, Land rover leaving UK. (it will only be time before we no longer produce any cars in the UK) woolworths gone, comet gone (just to name a couple) Farmers struggling with crops due to weather, Farmers struggling with cows due to not getting paid enough.
In 20 years time we will be importing everything and there will be less jobs.
Next time you are in town count the amount of shops you actually go into. I reckon it can be counted on 1 hand.
The other shops are either selling specialist items or stuff you buy occassionally.
for instance we have wilkinson, QD, M&S and BHS.
the rest are phone shops, book shops i.e.
When I went xmas shopping I did most of it in one shop as the rest were no good.

The biggest problem is that a lot of people are willing to use pound shops now to get there stuff rather then woolies/ whsmith/ halfords/ boots.
It is only a matter of time before we get rid of all little shops and will end up with pound shop high streets.

And you only have to look at car boot sales to see why. They come and offer 50p for an item that is worth £50. and you could easily get £50 on ebay. They come back 10 minutes later to see again if you will take 50p for it after thinking about it. they then send there brother/ son to come and see if you will take 50p for it.
This country is going to pot because we let so many people from other countries in and they get the good jobs, earn loads of money and then keep it to themselves or send it abroad.

When will we start looking after our own?
 
And the country is going to brown stuff and it is right in front of us, Land rover leaving UK. (it will only be time before we no longer produce any cars in the UK) woolworths gone, comet gone (just to name a couple) Farmers struggling with crops due to weather, Farmers struggling with cows due to not getting paid enough.
In 20 years time we will be importing everything and there will be less jobs.
Next time you are in town count the amount of shops you actually go into. I reckon it can be counted on 1 hand.
The other shops are either selling specialist items or stuff you buy occassionally.
for instance we have wilkinson, QD, M&S and BHS.
the rest are phone shops, book shops i.e.
When I went xmas shopping I did most of it in one shop as the rest were no good.

The biggest problem is that a lot of people are willing to use pound shops now to get there stuff rather then woolies/ whsmith/ halfords/ boots.
It is only a matter of time before we get rid of all little shops and will end up with pound shop high streets.

And you only have to look at car boot sales to see why. They come and offer 50p for an item that is worth £50. and you could easily get £50 on ebay. They come back 10 minutes later to see again if you will take 50p for it after thinking about it. they then send there brother/ son to come and see if you will take 50p for it.
This country is going to pot because we let so many people from other countries in and they get the good jobs, earn loads of money and then keep it to themselves or send it abroad.

When will we start looking after our own?

Woolworths was an american company, aparantly we build more cars now than ever. BUT there all foreign owned. I've yet to see a poor farmer, most of them do very well. But on the whole I agree with you. All the small shops are disappearing only leaving the big boys to pay minimum wages, which for some reason the government think we should be gratefull for. Your right we should look after our own, no que jumping for houses or anything else for that matter.
 
Whilst I need to earn money to pay the bills

I do my bit when I see people who are struggling financially i sometimes do things for next to nowt sometimes even free. But today's society is all about money money they want to be successful and famous but not the hard way by working for it. Cowell and his kind have a lot to answer for.
 
just make the bankers milk cows, finance millionaires sweep the streets and give their money to gov to pay off its debt, take all the big houses off them and flog them to the saudis, or is that just another way of describing a revolution, worked for china a while back, look at them now, all the workers have become the millionaires!!!!!!!!!!
 
just make the bankers milk cows, finance millionaires sweep the streets and give their money to gov to pay off its debt, take all the big houses off them and flog them to the saudis, or is that just another way of describing a revolution, worked for china a while back, look at them now, all the workers have become the millionaires!!!!!!!!!!

conditions for most of the chinese workers are dire locked into factories for months at a time, rural china regularly starves just the elite are getting rich
 
but those elite were fm the poor peasant families a generation back, they have just swapped roles for a while, I'd be happy to be on a bankers pay for the next 30 years
 
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