Fireplace openings

[sparky]

Hello everyone, does anyone know if you can bring a gas pipe through into the builders opening. Is it the normal thing to do for asthetics? I want to bring a 15mm pipe down the wall at the side of the chimney breast, then drill through the fireplace pillar into the builders opening. Any advise would be much appreciated.

 

[wnjswozo]

yes,pipe must be sleeved throu wall,any pipe in chimney ,must be covered with gas tape

 

[sparky]

Do you know if you can bring the gas pipe into a firebox?

Thanks wnjswozo for your reply, will do that.

 

[newbie1]

no offence sparky have you done your acs??

 

[sparky]

Yes newbie but struggle to find information about gas fire pipework and builders openings. I know about sleeves/sealing and taping because of soot but am new to fires and have only ever came across pipework that is run around the fireplace and not through it. Cant find anything about pipework into a gas box enen in the manufacturers instructions. Need advice from the experts!

 

[newbie1]

like i said no offence but pipework is covered in the corgi book with drawings as well and as with most thing a flue box will have mi which overrides everything else
from memory the flue box will have a rubber grommet but i cant confirm that for sure

 

[wards]

IMO all basic stuff,if you are qualified to install fires then you should not need to ask.i do not mean to offend but i would not like to give advice to anyone who is not competent in gas work.
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[newbie1]

have to say this is why i asked the question as this is quite basic and would most certainly have been covered if not on the core then def in the fires module

 

[sparky]

If cant actually see gas pipe run to fire because feature fireplace has been built around existing chimney breast(hole has been left for isolation cock in feature brickwork) so i know the pipework drops either in the wall or between chimney breast and later built feature brickwork(which is up to ceiling height) i know what corgi says about pipework in walls etc.. but this pipework has been where it is for 20 plus years and i need to give a good explanation to customer if i need to lift floor boards run a new carcass! Dont come across this kind of thing on new build which is what im used to!!

 

[newbie1]

ok but tbh the questions you are asking are basic questions and should really be known if you have a fires ticket anyway good luck

 

[sparky]

Flue boxes ive seen havent had any holes or grommets, and no information about this in the mi's. Reason i ask is have been given conflicting info from company supervisors(gas experts) some say a big NO others yes! Have read corgi book incl fires but after 3 years on new build and now asked to fit fires in lived in houses am looking at jobs that give me more questions than answers! Been plumbing 3 years new build, now on refurbs and this site has been a god send with input from you guys!!

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

you can drill flue boxes but they must be sealed and the pipe taped on entry

 

[oldplumber]

Your right to worry about the pipe in the wall at present, so to put in a new fire go back to where you know the gas run is sound and safe ie under the floor. Run a newgas feed ensuring it is the correct size iaw regs. If you run through any brick work etc sleeve the pipe as you already mention. If you have to break through a fire box, fire cavity etc, you must ensure you leave the openings are sealed with grommets etc. Have alook at the registered gas engineer mag re chimneys feb issue for some help. Remember to tape up gas pipe within the flue to prevent corrosion etc. Have a look on a flue box manufacturer'e site for instructions on how to install them ie selkirk.

Dont worry about the attitude of some on this site, if you have your acs and need help ask, no one knows it all and fires can be a bu**er, and having seen a few recently, installed by what would have been corgi engineers, they obviously hadnt had the courage to ask about flue boxes and fire openings or else they would have done the jobs properly.
Not being offensive, but just my opinion of some of the more "experienced" engineers out there.

 

[sparky]

Cheers gas man. was going to do this but rang company gas expert to be sure it was ok and was told not to. Seems to be a lot of grey areas where gas is concerned and levels of knowledge. If going by the book for pipework a complete re carcass is going to be required even though pipework has been as it is for years. working for a company you get very conflicting views on gas regs!! Just wanna do as should be done. Might seem like basic gas knowledge but different scenarios and things you come across pose more questions. Not always a CLEAR answer in the books to questions you ask yourself. The more you come across and experience you get the less questions youre gonna ask!
Thanks all for the replys

Thank you Oldplumber, did think to do job exactly as you say but this job is for a family member and when i say to them (who are extremely old school and quick tempered) what should be done iknow exactly what theyre going to say and i wanted to be sure of what HAS to be done!! No excuses!! ACS is all well and good but its not until you come to these jobs that you start to question yourself. You build experience over time and with that experience comes knowledge!! Im learning EVERYDAY!