Gas Cookers

[rob jefkins]

Like many other Gas safe engineers, I did my cookers as part of my ACS. Basically installing, servicing and decommisioning freestanding cookers etc.
Trouble is I have been faced with a few problems which require the thermostat of a gas oven to be replaced. Does anyone know if I need to pull out the whole unit to replace a thermstat or just do the job from the front?
I have no MI to work with and these are big heavy cookers!
Any advice appreciated.
P.s. The cooker manufacturers are Spinflo and Country Leisure. Both LPG
Cheers

 

[Puddle]

I find the trouble with cookers are that I do not do lots of work on them,so you do not get to know exactly what routes the capillary tube takes from control panel to oven,r/h side,l/h side or back for different models and the route and parts seem to depend in what factory they were made /assembled in
And as pointed out on a post the other day the manufacturers do not put internal views on the net,they try to charge for them
Little repair shops used to do the works,now many have closed down,so more and more people ask me to repair
Must admit working on cookers is like going back years on boilers ,so many flipping screws
I usually remove the control panel first on the cooker,which you know you are going to have to do anyway to fit control end of the thermostat and then trace were capillary tube goes and remove realivate section/s

as regards to pulling out complete cooker,you most likely do,even if you think you can thread through,you often get stuck in the inner insulation and they have a nasty habit of clipping capillary wire to keep safe when assembling

 

[kirkgas]

Like many other Gas safe engineers, I did my cookers as part of my ACS. Basically installing, servicing and decommisioning freestanding cookers etc.
Trouble is I have been faced with a few problems which require the thermostat of a gas oven to be replaced. Does anyone know if I need to pull out the whole unit to replace a thermstat or just do the job from the front?
I have no MI to work with and these are big heavy cookers!
Any advice appreciated.
P.s. The cooker manufacturers are Spinflo and Country Leisure. Both LPG
Cheers

No MI no work, it is that simple, if you dont have the MI's can you CONFIRM you have carried out the repair completely correctly? if the answer is anything other than 100% confirmation then you should not touch the job

 

[rob jefkins]

Bloody hell !!! If I turned down all the jobs where the customer did'nt have MI for an appliance I'd go out of business!!!
Sometimes you have to use your head instead !!!

 

[kirkgas]

Bloody hell !!! If I turned down all the jobs where the customer did'nt have MI for an appliance I'd go out of business!!!
Sometimes you have to use your head instead !!!

i use my head ALL the time and NEVER service/repair an appliance unless I know the appliance fully and can CONFIRM that all safety checks and functions are ok, which is what i need to do to comply with the GSIUR, i appreciate you need to work but if you dont check something properly and it goes wrong you then get asked "have you worked on this appliance before?" and say no, then get asked " why did you not comply with the GSIUR by leaving the appliance unsafe due to your lack of product knowledge"? what will you answer?

 

[fuzzy]

i use my head ALL the time and NEVER service/repair an appliance unless I know the appliance fully and can CONFIRM that all safety checks and functions are ok, which is what i need to do to comply with the GSIUR, i appreciate you need to work but if you dont check something properly and it goes wrong you then get asked "have you worked on this appliance before?" and say no, then get asked " why did you not comply with the GSIUR by leaving the appliance unsafe due to your lack of product knowledge"? what will you answer?

Errrr, Ill get my coat?

TBH - Many people come across appliances that differ from ones they have worked on before and must relay on appliance knowledge apart from specific knowledge. Is it wrong? probably but im sure most do a mental risk assessment and get on with the job

 

[kirkgas]

Errrr, Ill get my coat?

TBH - Many people come across appliances that differ from ones they have worked on before and must relay on appliance knowledge apart from specific knowledge. Is it wrong? probably but im sure most do a mental risk assessment and get on with the job

i do agree that many , many qualified good guys can sort a problem out every time, but to keep yourself right, on the one occasion where something goes wrong in your 30 yr career the good guy will get hammered by the suits if something does goes wrong, so i suppose everyone needs to decide what level of risk they are willing to take in an effort to help a customer, the same customer who will phone a lawyer before they phone an ambulance when the brown stuff hits the spinning thing

 

[Kip]

When aranging a job, which is usually done by phone i always ask do they have the MI's if no then i get them to read me all they can see off the front of the appliance and then trace some books before i arrange a call..

I wouldnt touch an appliance before having a quick scan through the MI's just to see if anything differs from different manuals.

 

[Blackcatgas]

This is why I dont like servicing things that Ive not serviced before, old nasty boilers that havent had the cover taken off them for years and everything is crusty and wont come apart properly and or rips the gasket apart.
People will give things a "generic" service, quick brush then run a hoover around, then when youve got the istructions you find out that you were supposed to take the fan hood off etc.

 

[migoplumber]

follow kirkgas and kips advice and you wont put a foot wrong and the job will be done right !!

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

No MI no work, it is that simple, if you dont have the MI's can you CONFIRM you have carried out the repair completely correctly? if the answer is anything other than 100% confirmation then you should not touch the job

agree with kirkgas on this one,when faulting/changeling components,the mi are essential you have to prove you have done it by the book

 

[fuzzy]

i do agree that many , many qualified good guys can sort a problem out every time, but to keep yourself right, on the one occasion where something goes wrong in your 30 yr career the good guy will get hammered by the suits if something does goes wrong, so i suppose everyone needs to decide what level of risk they are willing to take in an effort to help a customer, the same customer who will phone a lawyer before they phone an ambulance when the brown stuff hits the spinning thing

its a dilema! i agree with what you say, i tend to judge each situation on its merits, the right decision only comes with time