Gas Engineer Courses

[Opal99]

Hi

I am after some advice please.

I am looking at training to become a gas engineer. I have done some research and have come across various courses which last a few weeks (after which and providing I pass I would be registered on the gas safe register). I am fully aware these courses do not provide the skills and experience of an apprenticeship as I have seen the negative comments regarding them on here; however, an apprenticeship would be extremely difficult for me to secure with so much competition and people with previous experience (I have none). I am 37 and this would be a complete career change for me having only worked in customer service roles: although I am certainly not doing this on a whim. Whilst I will try my best to secure an apprenticeship before going down the course route as my last option, I was wondering if anyone has had any success with these courses (I understand it would be almost impossible getting a job with British Gas etc) but are social housing firms more flexible?
I called one of the fast-track courses mentioned above and spoke to a lovely person who advised me to try and get an apprenticeship as they are highly regarded. He said if I do manage to secure a place then with time, effort and dedication I will go far and there is a market for women gas engineers as there is a current shortfall of them. Unfortunately I do not know any gas engineers (friends or relatives) who can help me on this journey so any genuine and helpful advice would be appreciated.

 

[gmartine]

Combined with your age you have no experience whatsoever so I think your chances of securing an apprenticeship are probably very slim to none. Go to your local FE college and attend a plumbing starter/evening course to see if you have any aptitude for it and then take it from there.

 

[Opal99]

Combined with your age you have no experience whatsoever so I think your chances of securing an apprenticeship are probably very slim to none. Go to your local FE college and attend a plumbing starter/evening course to see if you have any aptitude for it and then take it from there.

I thought this regarding the apprenticeship. Age is not on my side. If I done the fast-track-course and and was then registered as gas safe would there be a chance of employment do you think, for example are social housing firms less selective? One of the courses actually arranges 40+ hours with an experienced engineer to build your portfolio and put in for the test so you don’t need to ask for a mentor.

 

[snowhead]

would there be a chance of employment do you think,

Full employment, No, you'd lack experience.

You'd need to work for someone who could mentor you for at least a year and they wouldn't want to pay you much during that time.

No-one is less selective when lives at risk.

 

[gmartine]

I suspect you'll have to pay for the privilege of those 40+ hours of portfolio building but do check. What makes you think you'll get through a fast-track course with no experience when even a course administrator "recommended" you try and find an apprenticeship instead?

 

[Scott_D]

Be careful with social housing and similar
You will be expected to do 8-10 services a day and travel between

 

[Opal99]

I suspect you'll have to pay for the privilege of those 40+ hours of portfolio building but do check. What makes you think you'll get through a fast-track course with no experience when even a course administrator "recommended" you try and find an apprenticeship instead?

The mentor is included in the total cost. Basically I asked the course administrator about apprenticeships vs courses, so he was just answering my question and confirming what I already thought (apprenticeships are better). He never discouraged me from doing the course. I called a couple of places up and on the course which gives a mentor the chap said the last woman they trained went straight on to get a job (for social housing). Obviously he could have been making this up but both chaps I spoke to seemed optimistic (unless they just didn’t want to burst my bubble)

 

[Opal99]

Full employment, No, you'd lack experience.

You'd need to work for someone who could mentor you for at least a year and they wouldn't want to pay you much during that time.

No-one is less selective when lives at risk.

I completely understand this as safety is paramount. I would be happy to work with someone on my two / three days off a week with no pay to build my portfolio but I don't even think this would be easy to secure.

 

[gmartine]

Have you even considered the cost implications of doing an apprenticeship should you get one? You wont be on £25k a year + benefits.

 

[Opal99]

Have you even considered the cost implications of doing an apprenticeship should you get one? You wont be on £25k a year + benefits.

Yes I think as an apprentice at my age I would be on approx 13000 per annum which would be a drop but the way I look at it is it is a career and that’s what I want. I know it would be a few years down the line before I earned higher pay. The pay is not the issue it’s getting an apprentice as I am aware there are younger more skilled folk out there than me.

 

[gmartine]

More like minimum wage at £12.5k pa however you seem convinced there is a demand for female gas engineers. Respectfully I don't know if there is or why there would be if there is a glut of heating engineers in the sector anyway. I'd make sure of that before committing any dosh to a course provider who will always tell you what you want to hear.

 

[Opal99]

More like minimum wage at £12.5k pa however you seem convinced there is a demand for female gas engineers. Respectfully I don't know if there is or why there would be if there is a glut of heating engineers in the sector anyway. I'd make sure of that before committing any dosh to a course provider who will always tell you what you want to hear.

I’ll be honest I have no idea if there is a shortage of female engineers, I’m only repeating what the first chap told me. He just seemed a genuinely lovely guy of the old school variety. He never tried to sell me the course either so he was definately not after my dosh. What both chaps did mention was that a woman engineer would appeal to older customers and also women who feel vulnerable. I could quite see this myself. I will definately do further research before committing to anything though as I don’t have money to throw away.

 

[Riley]

Don’t believe it they will tell you anything to sign you up. You will not get employment after a fast track course. Most employers these days require a minimum 2-5years experience. Your option will be self employed and unless you have a little black book of engineers to call when you get stuck then you are going to look silly in front of customers. The thing of elderly and women wanting women is rubbish I’m not being sexist but a lot of the elderly and even many women are as they don’t think it’s a job for a woman. Do as someone said above do the college route. You will actually learn

 

[AMGasServices]

There maybe an alternative why don’t you train be become a smart meter installer with a big company they will train you and guide you accordingly.

I was faced with redundancy a few months ago I applied for several jobs got a few interviews one social housing group said they didn’t think I was experienced enough for the gas engineers post (I was a gas engineer at the last place for 5 years). It’s very difficult for a newbie to find a job in our industry.

 

[Opal99]

Don’t believe it they will tell you anything to sign you up. You will not get employment after a fast track course. Most employers these days require a minimum 2-5years experience. Your option will be self employed and unless you have a little black book of engineers to call when you get stuck then you are going to look silly in front of customers. The thing of elderly and women wanting women is rubbish I’m not being sexist but a lot of the elderly and even many women are as they don’t think it’s a job for a woman. Do as someone said above do the college route. You will actually learn

Thanks for your honest answer. I have been looking at the college routes but they also want you to be employed in the industry and have one or two days a week in the classroom. That’s the difficult part...finding someone who will let you shadow them. Maybe this will be a pipe dream at my age but they do say you are never too old to learn

 

[Opal99]

There maybe an alternative why don’t you train be become a smart meter installer with a big company they will train you and guide you accordingly.

I was faced with redundancy a few months ago I applied for several jobs got a few interviews one social housing group said they didn’t think I was experienced enough for the gas engineers post (I was a gas engineer at the last place for 5 years). It’s very difficult for a newbie to find a job in our industry.

Thanks I will look into this. It’s definitely an option but I’m not sure how hard it would be to get into this role either. I suppose that’s where I have to do some leg work now if I am to succeed in some way or another getting into this industry.

 

[Opal99]

Can I ask a question regarding this as I hadn’t even looked into this option...I have just done some research on this and it seems that I have to pay for the training myself. I have no issues with this but again I am not guaranteed a job at the end of it. Would the chances of obtaining a job be quite high once my training was completed which is approx 3 months. If I did get a job as a meter installer how would I approach the company with the question of training to become a gas engineer...I could not see them allowing me to shadow anyone during a working day when I am supposed to be installing meters. Can I also ask what is the average wage of this job.

 

[Riley]

I wouldn’t be paying for any training if it were part of the role they have interviewed you for. Have you ever done any plumbing? Soldered a pipe? Hung a radiator? Do you understand a heating system??? These are the questions you need to ask yourself. There are loads of time served plumbers and engineers on here that will still tell you everyday is a school day

 

[Opal99]

I wouldn’t be paying for any training if it were part of the role they have interviewed you for. Have you ever done any plumbing? Soldered a pipe? Hung a radiator? Do you understand a heating system??? These are the questions you need to ask yourself. There are loads of time served plumbers and engineers on here that will still tell you everyday is a school day

I have no experience. You may ask how I know I want to do this...but people constantly tell you it’s never too late to learn, and I am hoping this is the case but it seems extremely difficult to get on the ladder so to speak. I’m not expecting to be servicing boilers after a few months I just want to gain experience to achieve my goal. Sometimes parting with a bit of money might be the only way to at least get your foot in the door. Maybe starting out as a Smart Meter Installer is an option, I’m still looking at this route. Perhaps this is a pipe dream but I will at least try.

 

[Riley]

Many colleges will offer a plumbing taster course. This would be a great intro. You may find you hate it

 

[Opal99]

Many colleges will offer a plumbing taster course. This would be a great intro. You may find you hate it

I’m going to contact some collages during the week for some information and if they have an introduction course I will give it a try.

 

[Roverspete]

I’ve been a self employed plumber for 2 years now. I started as a mate after being made redundant from a building firm I was with for 12 years.
Lucky enough I’d done a few jobs with a plumbing firm whist building and they knew my capabilities. I then signed up at 35 for college and a City & guilds LV2. I’ve now completed all courses and gained on the job experience through Mybuilder and word of mouth plus 2 jobs a week with a GS Engineer.
I’m now looking at doing my GS through Gas Flare in Bristol for £3999+VAT.
We had a young Indian guy who was on our course for a property developing family expecting to be earning 30K within the first couple of years with Only estate agent experience. He could not even solder properly!!

I’m still astonished at the amount of people that think they can change a career from shirt and tie to a highly skilled trade with £’s. I’m not someone you wants to discourage just tell it as it is.

Hope this might give people who are thinking of a career change a little insite to what’s involved.

Regards. Pete

 

[Michael1960]

Hi

I am after some advice please.

I am looking at training to become a gas engineer. I have done some research and have come across various courses which last a few weeks (after which and providing I pass I would be registered on the gas safe register). I am fully aware these courses do not provide the skills and experience of an apprenticeship as I have seen the negative comments regarding them on here; however, an apprenticeship would be extremely difficult for me to secure with so much competition and people with previous experience (I have none). I am 37 and this would be a complete career change for me having only worked in customer service roles: although I am certainly not doing this on a whim. Whilst I will try my best to secure an apprenticeship before going down the course route as my last option, I was wondering if anyone has had any success with these courses (I understand it would be almost impossible getting a job with British Gas etc) but are social housing firms more flexible?
I called one of the fast-track courses mentioned above and spoke to a lovely person who advised me to try and get an apprenticeship as they are highly regarded. He said if I do manage to secure a place then with time, effort and dedication I will go far and there is a market for women gas engineers as there is a current shortfall of them. Unfortunately I do not know any gas engineers (friends or relatives) who can help me on this journey so any genuine and helpful advice would be appreciated.

Thanks for your honest answer. I have been looking at the college routes but they also want you to be employed in the industry and have one or two days a week in the classroom. That’s the difficult part...finding someone who will let you shadow them. Maybe this will be a pipe dream at my age but they do say you are never too old to learn

Hi, you are definitely never too old, I was older than you when I decided to come into this industry. I cant stress enough on the importance of following the apprenticeship route. There is a massive ammount of technical certificates to be gained out there all backed by C&G ,Bpec, NIC. But the only one that counts is the work related qualifications ie C&G 6189 -11 And then onto the level 3 which leads to your ACS.(gas) if you choose. As stated by others employers wont recognise technical certs. The private colleges will charge a fortune. Go back to basics knock on doors and get an apprenticeship, sit in college with all the kids, I did, you will learn how to do things properly. Find somebody local to shadow, the experience is priceless. Hope this helps.

 

[Bibbs118]

Go on a gas course and apply for british gas, thats what i did. British gas do not want experienced engineers if they are going to train you, they want fresh meat they can train. When i was there the group behind us had a 57 year old guy on their adult apprentice scheme .

The fact you're a woman will help you get a job.

I believe there are some fast track success stories but you need to be very lucky getting a mentor for the 2 years you'll need.

I think most fast track people either end up installing or flipping burgers.

 

[Opal99]

Go on a gas course and apply for british gas, thats what i did. British gas do not want experienced engineers if they are going to train you, they want fresh meat they can train. When i was there the group behind us had a 57 year old guy on their adult apprentice scheme .

The fact you're a woman will help you get a job.

I believe there are some fast track success stories but you need to be very lucky getting a mentor for the 2 years you'll need.

I think most fast track people either end up installing or flipping burgers.

Do you mean go on a fast-track gas course and then apply with British Gas?