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Was in a Landlords property today ... upstairs flat! The gas supply came in at the front door downstairs and an ecv fitted. The supply pipe from the ecv them went up to the ceiling and along to the top of the stairs where there was then a secondary ecv then governor and meter fitted!

My question is, who's responsible for the pipe between the first ecv and secondary ecv? there was not a single clip on this pipe!!!! I have my theory but not 100% sure so wanted to put it out to you all for your thoughts/discussion :)

Cheers,

Steve
 
It's a private upstairs flat with the initial ecv near the front door before you go upstairs.... Does that help? The pipe between the two ecv's is in copper with compression joints and not one clip ... rises about 1.5m then horizontal about 2.5m before rising once again to the only saddle clip before secondary ECV! The property is private rented!

My quiery is, is the landlord or supplier responsible for the pipe between the ecv's? I use to do meter rellay's many moons ago and then it was "The Gas Boards" pipe! ... Just not sure who's responsible for anything after the first ecv?
 
Where are the suppliers meters, this is the answer to your question, if they our outside than landlord responsible if inside supplier simples
 
tamz said:
The Supplier is responsible. Should be steel if it is a communal stair.
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My thoughts were that the supplier is responsible up to and including the primary meter. What's threw my grey matter is the secondary ecv? Technically this in 'controled' via the first ecv?
 
lame plumber said:
Where are the suppliers meters, this is the answer to your question, if they our outside than landlord responsible if inside supplier simples
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'Suppliers' meter is top of the stairs, 1st ecv at the bottom with a second ecv close to the meter at the top!

So if you have an un-suported pipe that's been like that for 10yrs it's still the supplier's responsibility? May seem a simple and stupid question but it's one worth raising for awareness IMHO
 
It sounds like the meter has been moved by someone other than the gas supplier to a new location from the original location by the front door. If this is the case then is it permissible or even legal to do so?
 
It has probably been moved by "someone" at some point.
The gas board or whoever wears the supplier hat in that street these days (it was so much simpler years ago) don't use compressions other than the old taper M or FI's they used to use.

I'd probably AR and maybe riddor it as pipework and compressions used in inappropriate location.
 
Toxic Ted said:
It sounds like the meter has been moved by someone other than the gas supplier to a new location from the original location by the front door. If this is the case then is it permissible or even legal to do so?
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Meter was not moved but the gas supply was renewed some years ago and the then 'gas board' rellayed the mains from the new inlet ecv to the original meter position!
 
My 'blind eye' was at work Tamz as it had about 10yrs of paint over it!!! :)

That'll get the Gas Police Enforcers kicking off :lol:
 
I misread the op, for some reason My brain threw a secondary meter in there.

If it's a primary meter upstairs then all pipework up to the meter is the responsibilty of the carrier.

Though it should be in steel in a communal area.
 
Still begs the question though... who's responsible? I'm imagining it being 'relayed' over 10yrs ago at least ... The tennats doesn't give a 'flying ...'..!! However it had me wondering what I'd do if I had gas safe rep checking me out? Honestly I am not 100% sure whether it's the Landlords responsibility or the supplier to rectify the issues? My head says the supplier is responsible up to and including the meter, however there;s this niggle about 'uncontrolled' gas up to the first ecv..... If that makes sense ... ?
 
croppie said:
I misread the op, for some reason My brain threw a secondary meter in there.

If it's a primary meter upstairs then all pipework up to the meter is the responsibilty of the carrier.

Though it should be in steel in a communal area.
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I totally agree mate... however will they take responsibility? I wonder if there's anyone with experience of shippers responsibility being resolved/sorted?
 
assuming the gas supplier did not move the meter i would guess they will come and cap the supply and want to put the meter outside in a box (and make somebody pay for it). you can them reroute the gas pipework externally or replace with steel fitting a aecv on the entry to the property.

it sounds like somebody wanted to avoid paying the supplier to move the meter so paid some idiot to bodge it.
 
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AWheating said:
it sounds like somebody wanted to avoid paying the supplier to move the meter so paid some idiot to bodge it.
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Maybe so but there's a new card meter installed all prim and propper! Wouldn't you think the meter installer would have raised the issue with the custard? To be honest it doesn't look like a private re-position, why would a tenant do it? And the landlords tight as the back end of a duck and wouldn't pay for the tenants convenience! It looked legit but wrong... I've seen a good few similar ... If the install is legit then is this pipe the suppliers responsibility or the landlords? I sway towards the supplier but as said, am not 100% :)
 
i would think that if the supplier was asked to move the meter and alter the main then it would have been put outside, tends to be the standard practice with them now to meet the current regs.

meter fitters will swap meters in the same position even if its position does not meet the current standards unless its a safety risk. And many of them dont really know what they are looking at anyway tbh.

either way i would contact the supplier and leave it in there hands.
 
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