its funny to me the amount of negative comments can be received for asking a "question" on a "forum",not only my post above from wich i already admitted to it being a somewhat lazy question, but to others i have read previously, im sure if everyone that posted a question on here looked elswhere they would find the information required, but i believe there are some very intelligent engineers on this site so i choose to ask questions on here rather than other sources, less sarcasm and ego, more info, genorosity, and jokes
rant over
arghhhhhhhhhhh