Gas Safety Certificate Fails

[TerryWaite]

Would just like to know the procedure for when a Landlord Safety Cert fails. Obviously if you find an At Risk or an Immediately dangerous you turn off/ disconnect and cap accordingly, but do you still issue the CP12 with failed on it or not issue the CP12 and just give them the warning notice forms?

And furthermore, id like to know whether people still charge the full amount originally quoted for the visit or do they just charge say half, or do they not charge, come back, do the remedial work and then charge when it all passes?? Would like to know your opinions.

 

[mikimac]

Personally, I would still issue a cp12 with the details as a record for all parties involved. You've done your part so charge the full amount for the safety inspectio & if possible give them a quote there & then to rectify the issues.

 

[kirkgas]

Personally, I would still issue a cp12 with the details as a record for all parties involved. You've done your part so charge the full amount for the safety inspectio & if possible give them a quote there & then to rectify the issues.

i agree with this 100%, why would you charge half or nothing for a job you have did, you may decide to offer a reduced rate for repairs if you have a good relationship with the landlord but thats up to you, the landlord must get a safety check done every yr so you cant really not issue it if it is due/overdue, as long as appropriate action is taken on the faults found then tht is all that is required, ie boiler is checked and ok , fire is checked and AR notice issued, tenant doesnt use fire as they know of the risk so everything is fine, it is then up to the tenant to arrange with the landlord to fix fire as part of tenancy agreement

 

[dontknowitall]

I take my car for an MoT. It fails. I still have to pay and decide if I want that garage to do the work or not. Same for a CP12 failure. Flamin' draconian if you ask me, but you didn't ask!!

 

[secret squirrel]

As a landlord I'd be a little annoyed not because I've got to pay you but because its going to cost me more. I'd want a notice explaining what exactly was wrong and I'd need to know how its passed over the last XX years. I'd want to know if the regulations have changed or whether its just old age on the appliance.

More to the point I'd want to know how much is it going to cost to put it right and can it be done now!

If the only option was a new boiler and you quoted £2500 I'd hunt around and try and get it cheaper. If I'd got it for £2000 you are not going to get the job. Am I then going to pay you for your time and effort on the initial check.......

As a tradesman I'd want my money for the job done. Not my fault it failed.

 

[leelister6]

You're paying for an inspection, not a pass! Back to the MOT scenario, you usually get either a free re-test if you have the work done by the testing garage or half price re-test if you get it done elsewhere. Personally, if I failed an appliance, I would give a quote to rectify the problem and if I got the job, there wouldn't be a fee for issuing the cert afterwards, If the L/L wanted someone else to do the work then he would get charged for the initial inspection and I would expect the person doing the repairs to issue a cert

 

[CMairiD]

CP12 is just a snap shot in time, rather than a fail or pass certificate. Issue the required documents and quote for repairs.

 

[gasmarc]

Thats a good way of looking at it and issuing the correct labels etc. I use to do all the estate agents locally to me and have fallen out with one or two because of failures . its just a piece of paper that covers them. I am alot happier now not having to deal with them on a regular bases as the prices have dropped big time , I see one guy doing a safety cert and service for £45 , which I aint going to compete with thank you very much

 

[TerryWaite]

Thanks for the replies, some excellent advice, as always, I think CMairiD made a good point about it not being a pass or fail cert, its an inspection, of which you report your findings, take any neccessary action, and advise the landlord and gas user of your findings.

If you find any AR's/ ID's, it is then obviously upto the landlord whether he wants you to carry out the work or not and you can then decide whether you want to give another certificate after the repairs have been done for a reduced fee, but I think definitely charge in full for the first one. same principle as an MOT as said.

I disagree with the boiler comment though, if I quoted you x amount for the repairs and you got a cheaper quote, by all means go with them, but would you want to pay me for the initial diagnosis? Ofcourse you would have to. The engineer has spent time and fuel inspecting your appliances, not for the good of his health, but to earn a living.