Gas stop valve in HMO

[buncers]

Should the Gas Stop valve in an HMO be accessible by all tenants in an HMO.

If the only stop valve was in a tenants room (which is locked most of the day), would the property get a Landlord Gas Safety Certificate.

The HMO in question is quite old, above a shop and has been converted to multiple occupancy.

 

[Chalked]

The meter ecv would need to accessible by all tenants if they are using one meter. Or an ecv on the point of entry in each plot.

 

[stani]

What do they have in each room?

 

[buncers]

What do they have in each room?

No other gas appliances just a gas boiler in a shared kitchen.

 

[stani]

That does make it unusual, if each had an appliance then they would need AECV but, because it's only in a shared kitchen, is there room for an AECV prior to the appliances in the kitchen, so they could be isolated there

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Only need an aecv if in a locked room or more than 6m away for meter/ easily accessible

 

[stani]

Which is what the op says

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Which is what the op says

Not quite he said the stop valve can't see/ hope the meter isn't in someone's locked room

 

[stani]

If the only stop valve was in a tenants room (which is locked most of the day), would the property get a Landlord Gas Safety Certificate.

Think what he's saying is the valve is in a tenants room which is locked all day

 

[buncers]

Not quite he said the stop valve can't see/ hope the meter isn't in someone's locked room

The stop valve is in one of the tenants room, on the gas meter. The room is locked most of the day so no access to other tenants. The boiler is in the share kitchen, so other stop valves in the house.

Can the Landlord get a legal Gas Safety Certificate or do modifications need to be made?

 

[buncers]

The boiler is in the shared kitchen, so other stop valves in the house.

meant to say "no" other stop valves in the house.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

If the only stop valve was in a tenants room (which is locked most of the day), would the property get a Landlord Gas Safety Certificate.

Think what he's saying is the valve is in a tenants room which is locked all day

Depends where the meter is if it's just outside I'm sure it would be fine

But if it's like a flat setup etc need access

 

[ShaunCorbs]

The stop valve is in one of the tenants room, on the gas meter. The room is locked most of the day so no access to other tenants. The boiler is in the share kitchen, so other stop valves in the house.

Can the Landlord get a legal Gas Safety Certificate or do modifications need to be made?

Then no as access to the meter is required

Guess op was in mod que

 

[Gasinspect]

Reading his post more carefully, he says the isolating valve is in a tenants locked room with the meter "The stop valve is in one of the tenants room, on the gas meter"
So regulations are that there must be access to an isolating valve; move the meter outside, or put a secondary isolating valve in the kitchen, with the approved label. Done it many times when houses get split up. Best solution is move the meter.

 

[stani]

Cheapest solution is an AECV

 

[buncers]

Thanks for all the replies.

So assuming an AECV is installed in the kitchen before the boiler. It will only isolate the gas from that point onwards. There is a run of maybe 10-15 metres between the gas meter and the boiler, which is probably under the floor of the flat that will not be isolated. Is this OK?

Also, is the non-complaince regarding the stopcock an advisory or fail on the Gas Safety Cert?

 

[Gasinspect]

That is why I would recommend meter outside or accessible. If you smell gas and ring the emergency number, the first thing they say is to turn supply off. Up to discretion of engineer, I would say At Risk, given all the circumstances.