guidence into how to start becoming a plumber

[mr1]

hi everybody,.. i am new to this site and would like some help and guidence into how to start becoming a plumber or a trainee either through college or appreticeship ive been doing labouring work with a plumber and not much learnig and want to go down the proper routes avialible so can any1 pls pls pls help me, i would forever be greatful
thankyou....

 

[Puddle]

Welcome to forum Mr 1,Am sure you will find lots of info if you seach through threads 🙂

 

[justlead1]

Hi Mr1, The opportunity to work along side a plumber, labouring or mate , is in it self a great start. Turn it in to a learning experience through asking question. Coupled with a book on basic plumbing should allow you to identify types of systems etc. If after a month or two the enthusiasm is still high. Discuss with him the chance of doing a plumbing course one day a week. Good Luck

 

[johnmcginty]

Welcome Mr1 . Find a thread called " so you want to be a plumber "

 

[moony]

if your employed with a plumber get onto a local college and go the apprentice route.

get the heimenans level 2 plumbing book, get reading - get on here and other sites and you'll be on the road matey.

do it properly and you'll be laughing - dont go the tech certs route theyre not worth nothing in the long run - nvq is what you want.

 

[oldplumber]

why is it people are advising makee learnee plumbers, not to do tech certs? you need to go to college and study tecnhical certificates in order to be able to complete nvqs on site and gain the nvqs reqired by the trade. So you need both to be qualified properly and know how to do the job well! Additionally at our local college you need a level 3 tech cert and nvq 3 to move onto the acs quals for gas, unless your willing to pay for all the initial training prior to the acs exams at short course prices. Thats assuming you could find a local gas engineer willing to take on someone who has no formal training who wants to be a gas engineer!!! from what I see onthis site its bad enough for those with training to find a mentor let alone someone fresh out the bag whos full of misguided dreams.

 

[moony]

why is it people are advising makee learnee plumbers, not to do tech certs? you need to go to college and study tecnhical certificates in order to be able to complete nvqs on site and gain the nvqs reqired by the trade. So you need both to be qualified properly and know how to do the job well! Additionally at our local college you need a level 3 tech cert and nvq 3 to move onto the acs quals for gas, unless your willing to pay for all the initial training prior to the acs exams at short course prices. Thats assuming you could find a local gas engineer willing to take on someone who has no formal training who wants to be a gas engineer!!! from what I see onthis site its bad enough for those with training to find a mentor let alone someone fresh out the bag whos full of misguided dreams.

hi mate, you can do your nvq in college which includes the tech cert - or you can go down the 6 week course and get your tech cert which is basically useless to any employer who knows there stuff and knows to look for the nvq.

your course in college is called the nvq 6089 or 6088, the tech cert is just a part of this. was only advising the lad to take the nvq route not just the tech cert route.

and i only advised this as he said hes already working with a plumber (ideal situation)

 

[mcdommo]

get yourself to college dont choose one of those s***** ads in the paper they dont mean sod all

 

[REDSAW]

why is it people are advising makee learnee plumbers, not to do tech certs? you need to go to college and study tecnhical certificates in order to be able to complete nvqs on site and gain the nvqs reqired by the trade. So you need both to be qualified properly and know how to do the job well! Additionally at our local college you need a level 3 tech cert and nvq 3 to move onto the acs quals for gas, unless your willing to pay for all the initial training prior to the acs exams at short course prices. Thats assuming you could find a local gas engineer willing to take on someone who has no formal training who wants to be a gas engineer!!! from what I see onthis site its bad enough for those with training to find a mentor let alone someone fresh out the bag whos full of misguided dreams.

you dont need tech certs to achieve an nvq😎

 

[oldplumber]

presume then you can do an nvq at college that teaches all the tech cert detail as well, my understanding/experience was that the 2 work together and the nvq is gained on site having learnt the details via a tech cert. Still all over to diplomas now, from what I read online. Still you get more bits of paper through the route I did and ciphe wants to seethe lot!!

 

[REDSAW]

no tech certs needed and no college attendance required.
although you still need to be enrolled at a colege of f.e.

 

[oldplumber]

no tech certs needed and no college attendance required.
although you still need to be enrolled at a colege of f.e.

So how do you learn the theoretical side of plumbing, by purely working on the job😕

 

[REDSAW]

So how do you learn the theoretical side of plumbing, by purely working on the job😕

tbh, i am not just guessing here but rather holding back a bit.
to answer your question i will say just like a driving test.
'q' what do you do to pass this?.

 

[oldplumber]

Im beginning to understand why some white vans are always bent

 

[Blackcatgas]

So how do you learn the theoretical side of plumbing, by purely working on the job😕

nvq is college and work place based.

 

[fuzzy]

nvq is college and work place based.

not really the NVQ is all site based. The tech cert amounts to the college stuff. you cannot have a NVQ without the tec cert(unless you do a direct access which is very difficult and unusual)

 

[REDSAW]

not really the NVQ is all site based. The tech cert amounts to the college stuff. you cannot have a NVQ without the tec cert(unless you do a direct access which is very difficult and unusual)

are you calling me unusuall?.🙁🙂
10/10 for knowledge tho.

 

[fuzzy]

are you calling me unusuall?.🙁🙂
10/10 for knowledge tho.

oops sorry REDSAW, you are one of a rare few if you did it that way. The problem wth a direct access for most applicants iis they struggle with the online assesments without the lessons and the range of work required from site is possibly twice as much and how frequent is lead done on-site by plumbers? more to that how often by trainees?

i dont think lead will be in the new scheme

 

[REDSAW]

no, now youve let youself down there a bit...5/10

 

[moony]

tech cert is part of the nvq - so you do in theory have to have the tech cert to gain the nvq.... unless you go the direct access way as suggested by fuzzy (knowlegdable guy on all this btw) but i must stress as haveing recently done the tech certs as part of the nvqs i have gained they were easily passible after a few weeks revising from a book, but the knoweldge gained from your classroom day once a week and your on job training you would pass these without hardly any revision.

so short answer yes they are helpful - but definately not what theyre cracked up to be by these 6 week course providers - always liken it to driving a car! theeory is simple til you start driving the bloody thing.

 

[REDSAW]

tech cert is part of the nvq - so you do in theory have to have the tech cert to gain the nvq.... unless you go the direct access way as suggested by fuzzy (knowlegdable guy on all this btw) but i must stress as haveing recently done the tech certs as part of the nvqs i have gained they were easily passible after a few weeks revising from a book, but the knoweldge gained from your classroom day once a week and your on job training you would pass these without hardly any revision.

so short answer yes they are helpful - but definately not what theyre cracked up to be by these 6 week course providers - always liken it to driving a car! theeory is simple til you start driving the bloody thing.

i bought the highway code book, then bought a car then had someone drive around with me for 10 weeks then passed my test.

as above there is a little bit of blinkered vision about.
follow my thread that i will post maybee at the end of the week, it will make your eyes boggle. enough said for now.😉

 

[fuzzy]

i bought the highway code book, then bought a car then had someone drive around with me for 10 weeks then passed my test.

as above there is a little bit of blinkered vision about.
follow my thread that i will post maybee at the end of the week, it will make your eyes boggle. enough said for now.😉

lost me

 

[oldplumber]

Im not a horse, but I do need glasses, imho most people benefit from college training and the suport it gives them so a combination of tech cert and nvq is the best method to learn the trade, especially as apprenticeships bear no resemblance to what they once were, whereby a lad started with sweeping and after several years training and slaps could do almost anything the old boys in the company could. One day the wheel will go full circle and the government will start to pay employers to take on trainees and things will be ok for a while, until someone decides it all needs changing again

 

[REDSAW]

too right,
see tech cert's and apprenticeship are for the young lads or older people who are still looking for the left hand elbows!!.
no disrespect to any one, but there is the bottom rung and some need to start there, get the kettle on.

 

[fuzzy]

Im not a horse, but I do need glasses, imho most people benefit from college training and the suport it gives them so a combination of tech cert and nvq is the best method to learn the trade, especially as apprenticeships bear no resemblance to what they once were, whereby a lad started with sweeping and after several years training and slaps could do almost anything the old boys in the company could. One day the wheel will go full circle and the government will start to pay employers to take on trainees and things will be ok for a while, until someone decides it all needs changing again

I think that the new diplomas will be about as close to the old system as we will ever get. No tech Certs or NVQs but 1 qualificatin that merges the both