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Good evening all,

I currently have an issue with my heating system banging. First a technical overview for what it's worth.

Sealed central heating system served from an ideal logic heat 12 boiler. This serves a megaflo HW cylinder and two heating circuits (upstairs/downstairs). Each circuit has a two port motorised valve on it (Danfoss) and the whole system is circulated by a grundfos UPS2 15-50/60. Controller is a Hortsmann Channel plus H37XL. System is pressurised with a 12l BOSS expansion vessel.

So the system has always operated at a high pressure circa 1.8bar for the past two plus years since we moved in (it's a new build home). Never had any issue other than the pipework in the airing cupboard where the HW cylinder/pump is located being noisy when the pump runs, this is probably due to the pump being set at a high speed but I never bothered to drop it down. So a few days ago I noticed that the radiator in the bathroom was cold, I checked that the TRV pin wasn't stuck, which it wasn't then bled the radiator and got a lot of air out of it, the system pressure actually dropped to zero, I then topped it up to about 1.25 bar. Since then I get a loud bang every so often in the airing cupboard, it's an initial bang followed by a sort of bouncing noise.

I've been doing some investigation work and have narrowed it down to when it occurs. When boiler receives a no heat required signal it shuts off, all 2 ports close and the pump carries on running for a few minutes (overrun as you'd expect). When the pump finished the overrun and shuts off I get the bang, the pressure remains constant throughout and the bang seems to come from around the expansion vessel, the pressure gauge on the vessel bounces then drops about 0.2 bar, then slowly climbs back to the previous operating pressure.

Anyone had any experience of this before, is it a faulty vessel, pump issues? I have never come across this before.

Thanks Andy
 
I've had a plumber out tonight but to be honest he had less of an idea then me! I've asked him to get a replacement vessel so he is doing that. The only bypass is directly after the pump (flow side) and it connects onto the return header if you will back to the boiler. It has what looks like a spring valve set at 0.2 (doesn't state units but can range between 0.1-0.5). I've attended (or tried too) some images of the pump/two port arrangements and the valve on the bypass. I have just checked and the system pressure has now dropped to about 0.8 bar!

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Why have you asked him to replace the heating vessel ? Is it leaking / had water in it?

Did he check it ? if not get another plumber in.

PS. if cylinder is upstairs you don't need system cold fill pressure as high as 1.8bar, one would be more than enough.
 
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The lowest motorised valve is fitted the wrong way round. His will shut off with a bang.
 
This was one of my initial thoughts but apparently that type of Danfoss valve can be fitted in either direction, news to me as I always thought a 2 port had a and b ports! I will ring Danfoss today to double check.
 
Ok i just spoke with Danfoss and the valve body has no a & b ports meaning its a shoe valve and can be fitted in any orientation, as can the actuator head due to the valve being able to spin 360, for what its worth the actuator is the HPA2 model. The chap from Danfoss recommended taking the actuator heads off the valves and manually setting them to open, then if the system makes the noise i can eliminate the valves as a potential issue. Will give that a try tonight.

Thanks for everyone's input/help so far. I have posted a video of the noise when the pump shuts off, its showing what happens on the pressure gauge. [video=youtube_share;Ei2-dd1Mzig]https://youtu.be/Ei2-dd1Mzig[/video]
 
The 2 port valve is an essential safety feature of the unvented cylinder, removing head and leaving open is highly dangerous. The system could make a very big noise. Time to get G3 qualified plumber involved.
 
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Evening all, I had another plumber out tonight who seemed much more clued up. He said the noise sounds like a spring valve slamming shut and the only one on the system is on the bypass. This would make sense as when the pump shuts off the flow pressure stops causing the valve to slam shut. It's currently set at 0.2 bar, he suggested maybe upping the pressure reducing the spring force or replacing the valve. Has anyone experienced this before?
 
Why did they not just wind down the pressure to its max's & see if that worked? Returning it back again if not.

You still haven't confirmed that the vessel has been checked Andy, it also act a shock absorbers if set up correctly.
 
Sorry the vessel has not been checked other than visually. I wasn't actually at home when he was around tonight so only spoke to him after he had been to the house, I guess he was a little reluctant to change anything without running past me first! I will ask him to come back and check the vessel and bypass valve.

It's only happened once tonight, it's so intermittent, driving me crazy not knowing what's causing it!
 
Ok so I'm back again!! I think i have found the issue, i have been playing around with the ABV tonight and dropped it to its lowest setting and as if by magic the bang stopped when the pump overrun finished. However now its whistling pretty loud and only reduces in volume when i add more resistance to the ABV. So question is should i change it?, the valve doesn't have a manufacturer listed so I'm guessing its a cheap make. Also its on a pretty short/tight pipe run, will this make a difference?

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