How do pump water up to barn?

[agrispark]

Hi all, Renevating an old barn for my self and need advice on how to get water to the property if possible!

Got no mains water for miles, but what Ive got is a strong well, with a slightly small chamber, that is 560m away. The well is curently feeding 2 houses. The well water will come, with gravity, to aprox 100m away from my barn. The rise(?) would be about 25m.
How should I go about it do I:

A. Mount o pump just under the gravity level and pump it direct from the well?
B. Put a tank just under the gravity level and pump it from tank?

Also are oil combis any good for a 3 bed with u/f heat?

Any advice would be much appreciated thanks.

 

[Dannypipe]

Don't fit a combi on a system with no mains water. Fit a conventional boiler. Oil fired will be fine.

As for pumping the water from the well....not experienced with this sort of thing, so wouldn't like to comment.

 

[agrispark]

Thanks. But why is that?

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Don't fit a combi on a system with no mains water. Fit a conventional boiler. Oil fired will be fine.

As for pumping the water from the well....not experienced with this sort of thing, so wouldn't like to comment.

dont know about the pumping either but as dannypipe says you cant have a combi heat only with cwsc and cylinder

 

[Dannypipe]

Because a pre curser to installing a combination boiler, is to have adequate flow from the mains supply. Seeing that you will have a pump from a well, i would suggest you look into a stored hot water option and steer away from a combination boiler.

 

[Puddle]

You would have to check if you are allowed to pump from the well,in any case I would go gravity into tank and pump from there, this gives you the option of a combination boiler as pump will be taking pressure up as required into dwelling
The combi issue is up to you and your hot water requirements if you are having one bath room,should be Ok

 

[agrispark]

A bit tight for space. What if i mounted a strong pump would a combi be okay? How much pressure would I need? (sorry not a plumber! I might sound a bit thick!)

 

[agrispark]

Thanks Puddle. What size pipes should I go for, from tank, 25mm or 32mm, or does it mater?

 

[Dannypipe]

You don't sound thick at all. I would speak with the manufacturer and get specific details on what their minimum requirements are and then look to find a pump to match/exceed requirments.

It's quite an unusual request, not the wackiest I've heard by a long shot though.

Building control will want to get involved with this install as they will want to know that the well can meet the demands of an additional property, whether the water quality is good (is it potable) and what happens if the well got contaminated (i.e what if an oil storage tank split).

Anything is possible and I enjoy unusual projects. Just continue down your road of research. This forum is fantastic and you will eventually find a reply from a plumber who will have some rellated experience.

I will have a word with my father tommorow as I'm sure he's done this sort of thing many a time.

Good luck with it either way.

Danny

 

[Dannypipe]

Oh and as for pumps, check this link. They are great, very helpful and quality pumps.
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[Blackcatgas]

Ive just installed a combi off a cistern in the loft with a salamander 80csp pump off it, (there was only 11litres a minute coming into the house per minute).

 

[tamz]

There are a few ways to do this but the easiest would be to use a pump and an accumulator. The accumulator and pump can be sited in a chamber below ground if need be. Concrete rings are ideal for this. The accumulator can then supply the water at pressure to the house but you may need to feed to cisterns in the loft depending on the capacity of the well.
You would be better speaking to a local plumber as the rural based ones will have experience of this.

 

[stevetheplumber]

i had a lot of problems with a combi on a pumped supply causing the diaphram to flutter even though the system had a large preasure vessel look for a combi without a diaphram control

 

[Blackcatgas]

The Viessmann has a strange flow sensing switch, which as i found out the other day also works if you get the hot and cold the wrong way round.

 

[mooreofdevizes]

You need a borehole with a proper borehole pump, filters and ultra violet lighting to kill all the germs in the water. we don't actually install them but have worked on several projects with them fitted. You need a borehole specialist to advise you.

 

[Dannypipe]

Borehole specialist. Think I'd like to be a borehole specialist, it sounds expensive! Good advise though.

 

[tamz]

it sounds expensive!

I suppose it depends on the hole

 

[Centralheatking]

A householder is allowed to extract 20 m3 per day for agricultural or domestic use without permission or a licence. Boreholes are usually cheaper than obtaining easings from landowners to bring
the supply across their land.

Water purification has come on leaps and bounds in the past decade - have a look at reverse osmosis units - for domestic property say 200-500 litres per 24 hours. These are better than older methods.

There are a wide variety of pumps to suit all requirements.

We advised for something like this for Derek Nimmo's son who was converting a barn in France
happy to help you further

centralheatking

 

[Avatar]

This is a commercial job - you will have to look for a company that specialises in this kind of thing.

I work on commercial properties that have pump houses and the like, but any further comments are guess work here as most of us on here specialise in domestic plumbing.

Not even sure you could qualify this job as plumbing in fact . . .

You will find companies that specialise in waste water, drainage and water supply systems that will be able to mange a job like this.

When in doubt, get the experts in (and stop using guess work!)