Incoming mains black plastic pipe to 15mm copper

[Jon]

Hi.

Have a mid 1980’s house with the mains water coming in from underground via a black plastic pipe, of which the external diameter is 27mm. There does not appear to be any markings on it, but maybe some faint green.
This goes into a 15mm copper pipe via a stop tap with compression connections. There is a slight leak and due to a new room layout I need to take apart and reconnect the black plastic pipe straight to 15mm copper pipe without the need for the tap.

Is there a straight connector out there for connecting this 27mm black plastic pipe straight to 15mm copper pipe please?

Thanks, Jon

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Imperial polly best get a transition fitting to copper

Plasson/ philmac etc

 

[Scott_D]

Philmac utc

 

[Jon]

Thank you, will look into philmac. Is this polly stuff brittle? Should I be being very careful with it? and how’s best to cut the end off for the best joint?

 

[Scott_D]

Shouldn't be brittle but be gentle with it anyway
Don't forget an insert

 

[Jon]

Thanks. Forgive my ignorance but what insert?

 

[DGT plumbing]

Thanks. Forgive my ignorance but what insert?

An "insert" goes inside the black pipe to strengthen the side wall to prevent it being crushed or collapsing if stretched.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

An "insert" goes inside the black pipe to strengthen the side wall to prevent it being crushed or collapsing if stretched.

You don't need an insert with black poly

 

[Jon]

Ah yes I’m with you now! I guess until I take it apart I won’t know the diameter of the insert required? Although 22mm is most likely do you think?

 

[DGT plumbing]

Yeah ShaunCorbs is correct you don't need an insert.

 

[Jon]

Looking at Philmac now, but sooooo many fitting types I can’t work it out. The poly pipe is 27mm external diameter onto a 15mm copper pipe. Any idea which connector??

 

[DGT plumbing]

Maybe this one, code 1143
Products | Philmac

What I generally do is cut a bit of the pipe off and take it with me to the wholesalers.

 

[Scott_D]

15-21 x 21-27
copper x plastic

 

[Jon]

Thank you all, great advice and just what I needed. What tool is best to use to cut the plastic pipe to make a good end to connect?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Plastic pipe cutters

TBH hacksaw will work needs to be filed afterwards and debured

 

[Jim Goodenough]

Hey Jon,

You know you've got to turn the water off at your boundary stopcock don't you.... otherwise you'll get a bit wet....

Probably stating the obvious - no offence intended

 

[Jon]

Hi Jim, already located and tested the boundary stopcock in anticipation for this job. But you were right to check with me as I’m A ‘newbie’ on here! and I can imagine it would be like being hit by a fire fighters hose!!!

 

[Jim Goodenough]

Hi Jim, already located and tested the boundary stopcock in anticipation for this job. But you were right to check with me as I’m A ‘newbie’ on here! and I can imagine it would be like being hit by a fire fighters hose!!!

Good for you Jon! I've got wet a few times as I reckon most plumbers have.... it's OK if it's summer time

 

[JCplumb]

Where's the new mains stop tap going if you're removing this one?

 

[Jon]

It will be slightly further along from the plastic pipe. About 2 foot away between 15mm copper pipe. Will that be ok?

 

[Jim Goodenough]

Where's the new mains stop tap going if you're removing this one?

Top question JCplumb,

I reckon Jon know's... (the OP)

 

[Jim Goodenough]

oh too slow... it's that time of night

 

[Jim Goodenough]

It will be slightly further along from the plastic pipe. About 2 foot away between 15mm copper pipe. Will that be ok?

As long as it's easy to access

 

[Jon]

Yes easily accessible thanks Jim

 

[Vicdiy]

Hi.

Have a mid 1980’s house with the mains water coming in from underground via a black plastic pipe, of which the external diameter is 27mm. There does not appear to be any markings on it, but maybe some faint green.
This goes into a 15mm copper pipe via a stop tap with compression connections. There is a slight leak and due to a new room layout I need to take apart and reconnect the black plastic pipe straight to 15mm copper pipe without the need for the tap.

Is there a straight connector out there for connecting this 27mm black plastic pipe straight to 15mm copper pipe please?

Thanks, Jon

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If that is your incoming mains you will still need a stop tap somewhere or are you putting it further up in the copper?