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OK so the question is if I am a naughty boy for helping my boiler and also have I done any damage with regards to asbestos.

Boiler in question is a Potterton Suprima. Here it its.....

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When you remove the front plate


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You have access to the heating compartment.

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And what has happened is the heat shield fell onto the burner so the boiler shut down.

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Looking closely at the white panels you can see that the left panel at the top has silver tabs holding it up. In fact all four heat shields have tabs top and bottom.

But the heat shield to the right is missing its top tabs. This caused it to fall over on the burner.

I asked for a Gas engineer to come look at the boiler and he spotted the fault straight away. It cost £80 and he basically propped it up with a screwdriver.

Roll on two months and the coldest nights of the year and guess what the panel fell back on the burner again.

So this time being 8pm at night and with no real prospect of an engineer on a SUNDAY night - having known the fault I have basically copied the engineer but this time to stop the panel dropping on the burner again I made a small little metal clip which you can see in the right side holding the panel to the wall.

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My questions are this
1) Have I been extremely clever to have resolved this simple issue. Or have I done something worthy of execution. Are Gas Safe engineers up and down the country screaming at the monitor having heart attacks at this photographed solution.

2) Are the panels asbestos? The original engineer said no, but wore gloves, used water spray to dampen down the fibres and had a gentle hand.

I hope that having done this I have resolved a minor issue. I am not worried about paying another £80 its just that the timing is horrible. Its late on Sunday night and -4oC outside. I have a 1year old daughter trying to sleep and if I can avoid a house plunged into sub zero temps while waiting for a call out then have I used initiative or am I guilty of crimes.
 
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no asbestos in this boiler,yes you have fixed it and yes you will get panned for removing the combustion door
 
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Nice job
 
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I checked all the other panels. Even the combustion door had clips on the heat shield. They were intact

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Heat Shield intact on combustion door.

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I am hoping my own clip will hold up the panel. I dont know why they were missing on this side.


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Its a solid clip on the left hand panel.

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Hoping it looks robust.

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Reset the system and started it all up again.

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I checked by looking into the burner and the heat shield seems to be holding this time.

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All back to normal.
 
Re: Is this a crime? Or has restarting my boiler just saved me £££ with this simple

The crime is that you were charged 80 quid and he proped it up with a screwdriver. Don't do it again though, for your daughters sake.
 
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you need a new clip fitting on there, it looks like you have used copper wire stripped out of 2.5 mm cable, now this MAY hold for awhile but could fail with the heat build up, (good quick fix for some one who doesn"t know).. yes you are a very naughty boy , now get it fixed properly.
all the best to you. fix it right (gas safe) and then you can have a merry and SAFE xmass.
 
Re: Is this a crime? Or has restarting my boiler just saved me £££ with this simple

What a sorry predicament. The qualified registered guy comes in charges you hansomely for a poor job (classic example of, this will get you out of trouble, and shows that short cuts do not pay off). So you fix it yourself, although not strictly inaccordance with the regs (unathorised parts ect) Qualifications Competence?. Difficult to critise you, as you made a better job than the engineer, don't blame you, with what you had experienced. Try to get a manufacturered replacement part fitted by a different GSR engineer. He will test it all properly on completion of the work and all should be well.
 
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Yes I think when we are out of the woods (weather wise) I will ask for a complete boiler overhaul, including the full replacement of the heat shield and the clips. With authorised parts. Well spotted that the fix was a bent piece of 2.5mm copper wire stripped from cable.
 
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never seen insulation on gas pipe .

who put that on ??????

corect me if i am wrong but the flame picter does not look correct,call a gas engineer to clean the dust of burner ! and dont use boiler till he has completed this simple job !!!

and get engineer to remove you hard wire to boiler from the pipe work to which is been fix with this black tape !

this is potential death to some one if that cable melts or get damaged and your system is not been earthed !
 
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(and get engineer to remove you hard wire to boiler from the pipe work to which is been fix with this black tape )! (what black tape)

(this is potential death to some one if that cable melts or get damaged and your system is not been earthed )! (its still earthed)
he only used some from some scrap!!!

the flame picture will be out for a few mins, till the dust particals settle,and burn away in the combustion box,
 
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Looks like some flame impingment to the left hand side of the burner, Difficult to tell on a photo.
 
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Actually that cable issue may well have been a photographic illusion

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I've moved things about a bit to see if its clearer.

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The wire is free hanging from the unit. It was just tucked into the grey foam.

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I've made sure its loose and free of obstructions.

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All the way back to the junction box.

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The unit is a bit dirty / dusty so probably needs a good clean on a service.

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When I started it after the first time of opening doors / panels etc there was probably some disturbance to the internals.

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This is the latest flame picture (24 hours later)

I am hoping its enough to get us through this Christmas and yes I will have this unit fully cleaned and serviced with the recommended parts for the heat shield (and any others) in the next 2weeks to a month.
 
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Re: Is this a crime? Or has restarting my boiler just saved me £££ with this simple

opening combustion chamber was crime number one
using a non standard part is the second
normal punishment is hung drawn and quartered
as we all know gas safe monitor these boards hopefully they will now get a court order for your isp to release your name and address and send the boys round
 
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flame looks a tad high, but as i stated in my other post get it done and have a happy and Safe xmas, regards cjg
 
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Must have switch spur by the boiler , wire ca not be loose , have to be clipped to the wall!

Sorry for been picky , it's just the way we all are!
With our job you have to be picky and pool all imperfections as we can't be sorry if anything goes wrong !
 
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does this boiler have a pump over run? if so then u need a auto bypass on your system as its an s-plan (2x2port valves) and u will burn the pump out ,average lenght of life in this situation is only 1year !
 
Re: Is this a crime? Or has restarting my boiler just saved me £££ with this simple

its not actually a crime to ouch your own boiler believe it or not. Still call a gsr guy to do a saftey check and service to put your mind at rest. The flame is telling you it needs a service.
 
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