Looking for advice on gas stove

[JasetheMace]

Hi guys,
I am a gas engineer and doing a gas stove.
Dont usually do fires but kinda got pushed into it! Any way to cut a long story short the connection off the stove is 150mm ish and the flue pipe is 127mm with a collar.
In the gap do I just put fire cement or is there another way of sealing it?
Please pm me as this is public gas forum not private and can an admin add me to private forum as well please?
Gas safe registered engineer with fires qualification.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Pm me or @Harvest Fields or @Riley

With a pic of your gas safe card front and back and will get you in the next batch

 

[centralheatking]

really if he does not know about sizes and ceramic rope etc
I gave up Gsr a while ago ..good Shaun

 

[gmartine]

That's quite a gap, are you sure the stove doesn't come with a 5" outlet somewhere?

 

[townfanjon]

Somethings a miss there . What do the MI’s say

 

[centralheatking]

That's quite a gap, are you sure the stove doesn't come with a 5" outlet somewhere?

or a collar ? thats still in the box

 

[cmarkr]

I've seen similar on a few of stove models, they use the Solid fuel carcass from a wood burner and almost retro fit a gas engine inside them to save recasting the outlet in 5". open forum so i better not say anything else but MI's should tell you more

 

[JasetheMace]

I've seen similar on a few of stove models, they use the Solid fuel carcass from a wood burner and almost retro fit a gas engine inside them to save recasting the outlet in 5". open forum so i better not say anything else but MI's should tell you more

Is the collar sold seperately? The mi's do mention another collar to be bought seperately but instructions are pants.
There is definetly nothing else in the box.

That's quite a gap, are you sure the stove doesn't come with a 5" outlet somewhere?

I feel like there is something missing, hence why I am asking! Might ring manufacturer tommorow, not fitting it until next week so plenty of time to order anything required.

That's quite a gap, are you sure the stove doesn't come with a 5" outlet somewhere?

I feel like there is something missing, hence why I am asking! Might ring manufacturer tommorow, not fitting it until next week so plenty of time to order anything required.

I've seen similar on a few of stove models, they use the Solid fuel carcass from a wood burner and almost retro fit a gas engine inside them to save recasting the outlet in 5". open forum so i better not say anything else but MI's should tell you more

Mi's just say "fit flue pipe"

 

[cmarkr]

Is it a 6” cast outlet with a thin walled 5” steel spigot inside that which is currently inside you vitreous pipe in your picture?
Check this manual out: https://www.valor.co.uk/sites/defau...ton_Gas_944_install_and_owner_issue_3 (1).pdf
Page 12, figure 5

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Same one as the one I installed

 

[JasetheMace]

Is it a 6” cast outlet with a thin walled 5” steel spigot inside that which is currently inside you vitreous pipe in your picture?
Check this manual out: https://www.valor.co.uk/sites/default/files/assets//Ridlington_Gas_944_install_and_owner_issue_3 (1).pdf
Page 12, figure 5

Those are exactly same as the fire I am fiting. There is no flow restrictor supplied though!

 

[cmarkr]

Bang the 5” into that internal bit with sealant. bit of decorative black stove rope between the decorative cast collor and the vit, happy days . You only need the restricor if your getting flame lift from excess draw. Not all manufactures supply them. What make and model fire is it?

 

[JasetheMace]

Bang the 5” into that internal bit with sealant. bit of decorative black stove rope between the decorative cast collor and the vit, happy days . You only need the restricor if your getting flame lift from excess draw. Not all manufactures supply them. What make and model fire is it?

This one here- instructions say it does have one, but cant find it anywhere! Unfortunately the customer un packed it and checked it so could be anywhere by now!

Tiger Gas Stove

The Tiger Gas Stove has a coal effect fuel bed and manual control. The cast iron construction is built to a high standard and is engineered for a long working life.

www.stovesareus.co.uk

 

[cmarkr]

Yeah tiger and GDC group’s parts pretty much all fit the same in there solid fuel stuff I’d guess there gas range is the same. So a valor ridlington one would probably fit. Customer probably chucked it out then with the packaging. If it helps you I think I’m in our showroom tomorrow morning so can take a picture if any good so you know what your looking for?

 

[JasetheMace]

Yeah tiger and GDC group’s parts pretty much all fit the same in there solid fuel stuff I’d guess there gas range is the same. So a valor ridlington one would probably fit. Customer probably chucked it out then with the packaging. If it helps you I think I’m in our showroom tomorrow morning so can take a picture if any good so you know what your looking for?

Yes please, that would be perfect, thank you

 

[firemant]

Is the collar sold seperately? The mi's do mention another collar to be bought seperately but instructions are pants.
There is definetly nothing else in the box.

I feel like there is something missing, hence why I am asking! Might ring manufacturer tommorow, not fitting it until next week so plenty of time to order anything required.

I feel like there is something missing, hence why I am asking! Might ring manufacturer tommorow, not fitting it until next week so plenty of time to order anything required.

Mi's just say "fit flue pipe"

As usual, some terrible advice here. Generally you cannot down rate a flue size. I don't get how MIs can just say "fit flue pipe" - it would normally be specific about the CSA of the flue required. If the outlet is 150mm then you need a 150mmm/6" flue - unless otherwise specified by the MI's.

What is the make and model?

 

[JasetheMace]

As usual, some terrible advice here. Generally you cannot down rate a flue size. I don't get how MIs can just say "fit flue pipe" - it would normally be specific about the CSA of the flue required. If the outlet is 150mm then you need a 150mmm/6" flue - unless otherwise specified by the MI's.

What is the make and model?

This is the fire!

Tiger Gas Stove

The Tiger Gas Stove has a coal effect fuel bed and manual control. The cast iron construction is built to a high standard and is engineered for a long working life.

www.stovesareus.co.uk

 

[ShaunCorbs]

this is the manual

https://www.directstoves.com/downloads/dl/file/name/Tiger-stove-instructions.pdf/

 

[JasetheMace]

this is the manual

https://www.directstoves.com/downloads/dl/file/name/Tiger-stove-instructions.pdf/

No, that is slightly different but it is much better instructions and does say to seal with rope and fire cement.

 

[firemant]

This is the fire!

Tiger Gas Stove

The Tiger Gas Stove has a coal effect fuel bed and manual control. The cast iron construction is built to a high standard and is engineered for a long working life.

www.stovesareus.co.uk

Having re read the earlier posts, I did, in fact, see the above. Since then, about 5 mins ago, I have been googling and returned with some info - and saw your exasperated response.

I found that your stove has a "V125 burner", which suggests a 125 flue. And you are correct, the MI's are pathetic, assuming that what I found is what you received.

However, as I said earlier, the general rule and general wording (and this is an excerpt pulled from anther MI) is that "The flue size (diameter or cross sectional area) must not be smaller than the size of the stove outlet."

Cmarkr may well be correct, and probably is, as he appears to run a showroom. I would not be happy assuming anything in this business, and would be seeking written clarification from the supplier. I would not be happy relying on MI's applicable to similar products, although we all know a lot of stuff IS the same but re-badged.

I suppose this is one of the problems with dealing with Chinese stuff. I ran a showroom for 20 years, and one of the worst, professionally, suppliers was Gallery, selling a lot of Chinese gear, and I believe they are the importers for Tiger. We did not deal with them for long.

 

[JasetheMace]

Having re read the earlier posts, I did, in fact, see the above. Since then, about 5 mins ago, I have been googling and returned with some info - and saw your exasperated response.

I found that your stove has a "V125 burner", which suggests a 125 flue. And you are correct, the MI's are pathetic, assuming that what I found is what you received.

However, as I said earlier, the general rule and general wording (and this is an excerpt pulled from anther MI) is that "The flue size (diameter or cross sectional area) must not be smaller than the size of the stove outlet."

Cmarkr may well be correct, and probably is, as he appears to run a showroom. I would not be happy assuming anything in this business, and would be seeking written clarification from the supplier. I would not be happy relying on MI's applicable to similar products, although we all know a lot of stuff IS the same but re-badged.

I suppose this is one of the problems with dealing with Chinese stuff. I ran a showroom for 20 years, and one of the worst, professionally, suppliers was Gallery, selling a lot of Chinese gear, and I believe they are the importers for Tiger. We did not deal with them for long.

The hole is 127mm, it's just the collar that is slightly bigger.
Its mad that we are still using fire cement and rope for these when boilers are using seals and washers! Surely fires could be a lot better made with specific flues made by the manufacturer rather then just using universal ones.

 

[firemant]

this is the manual

https://www.directstoves.com/downloads/dl/file/name/Tiger-stove-instructions.pdf/

No, that is slightly different but it is much better instructions and does say to seal with rope and fire cement.

It is different, because Shauns is the Solid fuel version. At least it states the CSA required (6" diameter). Cmarkr is probably correct in that they have taken the cheap route and not reconfigured the outlet.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Would say the units are the same just different insides cost them too much to redesign/ do separate ones

The one I did I used firebird rope and fire cement and a metal lined clip to support the enamel to the liner

Been fine for a few years next service it’s getting stripped and re done as it’s starting to crack (fire cement)

 

[cmarkr]

As usual, some terrible advice here. Generally you cannot down rate a flue size. I don't get how MIs can just say "fit flue pipe" - it would normally be specific about the CSA of the flue required. If the outlet is 150mm then you need a 150mmm/6" flue - unless otherwise specified by the MI's.

What is the make and model?

Guessing this is aimed at me? not down sizing I think that’s common knowledge not to do that. please read all the posts before you assume my advice is “terrible”. the 6” cast outlet is decorative and should have a 5” thin steel internal flange is what we’re discussing. The make and model is also in the post above


To the OP here are the pictures of the similar fire I’m talking about, probably worth ringing manufacture to make sure there missing.

The restricted is fitted below the 5” thin walled outlet in this picture btw

Edit; didn’t refresh my phone and missed the last 7 posts last night, only seen firemants first post and thought I’ll reply in the morning

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I’ve seen a few internal ones