Monarch C-201 Nozzle tool

[Rob The Gas]

Hi I'm thinking of buying a monarch nozzle tool, can anybody let me know whether it is worth buying, and will it fit a danfoss nozzle. Thanks

 

[SimonG]

It's a pile of cack, save your money.

 

[lame plumber]

just split my sides laughing, have you won the lottery or inherited a fortune? next must have tool is a fire valve tester, only £250 each when a kettle, mug and thermometer work just as well and you get a coffee at the same time

 

[Rob The Gas]

It's a pile of cack, save your money.

Thanks for the advice

 

[SimonG]

just split my sides laughing, have you won the lottery or inherited a fortune? next must have tool is a fire valve tester, only £250 each when a kettle, mug and thermometer work just as well and you get a coffee at the same time

Can't use a kettle and jug. OFTEC say we may scald ourselves

 

[lame plumber]

wife says I'll get a slapping if I squeeze her bum, hasnt stopped me yet. Re oftec, I manage to make tea and coffee safely and they can keep their advice to themselves

 

[Dotty]

shifters or 16mm socket. job's a good'un!

 

[happyflyer]

A nozzle key is used to remove a burner nozzle without having to take off the burner draft tube from the burner body or the flame ring , it cannot be done any other way, if you pull the burner draft tube off then two spanners will do, set close together and then squeeze the two together, I can't see how a nozzle key can be tosh, unless it falls to bits, how can that be. They have been making these since I was a lad surely they have it right by now

 

[Dotty]

So how do you fully inspect and clean the internals of the burner and the electrodes, also checking them for correct gaps without removing the draft tube? The only nozzles I can't remove with shifters are those on the Riello RLS dual fuel series.

I forgot to add i've been working on commercial oil boilers for close on 30 years and managed without one so far.

just another gadget to pull the arse out your tool bag!

 

[happyflyer]

Croppie,

We were talking just about the spanner, BTW its a hell of a price, £70.00.

Now that's a different thing, what you should do on a service is strip the burner down completely, only then can you be sure that the tube is clear, the fan scroll blades are all clean, the flame ring is clean, HT lead and electrodes are not cracked, cell is clean, the oil pump drive coupling and the plastic drive on the pump and motor are OK, so you don't need the key at all, what the key does is allow to take out the nozzle and do a runner.

If you are called to a burner that's not working correctly and you don't strip it down you will be back the day after.

I had 12 combustion engineers working for me back in 1970 and that's the only way I would have it, go to an oil burner job, your strip the burner down, all these qualification Croppie mean nowt if they can't cut the mustard.

Croppie, I have worked on burners with 10 ft flame length without all the certificates, 2 to 10 million Bthus

 

[Dotty]

I remember an old boy turning round to me a couple of year ago and telling me he didn't need oftec or fancy gizmo's like FGA's or wet kits.

"Engineer's eye John!" he said.

"Oh really!" I replied, "Call me when you do your first HE boiler."

"Why?" He asked.

"Because I want to see how long your 'engineers eye' takes you then." I answered.

You're right Tony. If you're not going to do the job properly, don't bother turning up!

 

[lame plumber]

simple tools for a simple person suits me. I'd only lose a nozzle spanner in the bag anyhow.

 

[happyflyer]

I remember an old boy turning round to me a couple of year ago and telling me he didn't need oftec or fancy gizmo's like FGA's or wet kits.

"Engineer's eye John!" he said.

"Oh really!" I replied, "Call me when you do your first HE boiler."

"Why?" He asked.

"Because I want to see how long your 'engineers eye' takes you then." I answered.

You're right Tony. If you're not going to do the job properly, don't bother turning up!

Croppie,

The last line say it all, oil is an acquired taste and lot of people play at it, as far as domestic burners are concerned they have change little since their original concept in the USA feels like 100s of year ago, I cut my teeth on the Wilson Wallflame and BSA Hotspa on the domestic and then moved on the industrial, Hamworthy Rotary cup and duel fuel, oil that thick you could stand on it when it was cold, 20kw heater to heat the oil up before you could start the burner up, nozzle spanners my bum Croppie, burners that size don't have nozzles you just pour the oil in.

Ride on.... all those qualifications the World gone made with paperwork, should all be potty trainers.

 

[happyflyer]

Croppie,


All this over a freaking spanner, lets have a whip round and buy the lad one, it will look good in his tool box, even if he never uses it.


Anyway you started it....haaaaaaaaa :26: burp!!

 

[happyflyer]

simple tools for a simple person suits me. I'd only lose a nozzle spanner in the bag anyhow.

lame Plumber

No you wouldn't at £70.00 a knock, you would look after it, I am still not certain that fixing oil burners is a plumbers job, how did it get wedged in there, beats me???:wacko:

 

[lame plumber]

Anything you can do I can better, comes to mind

 

[happyflyer]

Anything you can do I can better, comes to mind

You got it.

 

[Dotty]

Rotary cups and prewarmers, now you're going back!

we're actually in agreement here.

Nozzle spanner! Pfftttttttt....................

 

[lame plumber]

lame Plumber

No you wouldn't at £70.00 a knock, you would look after it, I am still not certain that fixing oil burners is a plumbers job, how did it get wedged in there, beats me???:wacko:

I sure that pensioners shouldn't be allowed off the ground in machines that fly (only joking), but it does keep death off the roads!

 

[Dotty]

I sure that pensioners shouldn't be allowed off the ground in machines that fly (only joking), but it does keep death off the roads!

Or even out of the nursing home unsupervised........

 

[lame plumber]

One poor lass came down the hill a while back down here in her pavement buggie and went straight under a car, they take your car licence away then give a battery operated set of wheels that are even more dangerous to pedestrians and the dodderer driving it

 

[happyflyer]

Croppie and lame plumber,


I still have all my plumbing tools in the shed, at 70 I could still turn up for a full shift, however I am not so sure that I would want to lower my standards to the level I have seen on this forum today on another thread, another thread that only one person agreed with me on that the work was like the nozzle spanner, crap.

Silence sometimes speaks volumes and I can only think that what people saw they accept as normal, a sad state of affairs, plumbing ain't what it use to be I am sorry to say, not one once of pride left, not saying all like that, not seen any plumbing photos that blow me away, in fact come to think of it not seen any photos of any bespoke plumbing.

I will wait a while...:sleep1:

Cheers to you both Tony

 

[Dotty]

Then you clearly haven't been looking in the right places on the forum.

Look for the 'Job of the month' threads.

 

[lame plumber]

Bit of "in my day we did things properly syndrome", only a few years before I start on that line of chat, just call me Uncle Albert