Mot car is law because it may not be safe, but it's not in the gas trade.

[xpertbert]

I know this will never happen, but we have to pay out for course after course, it's about time we were helped,and made it law that all gas appliance had a annual gas safe check regardless if it's landlord or not.
At the end of the day if you own your property, you are still putting others at risk. It stinks in view. We get heavily laid into by gas governing bodies the importance of all this, we try and push this onto customers but hey are they really bothered. Some are but a lot don't give a stuff . I know I am moaning but I just get fed with all this at times. Just shelled out £165 pound for anylizer course today . Yes it was really helpfull , and I don't have a choice soon because they make it law for us to have. But tell that to customers when you pass on payment for course, day off work, anylizer cost £500, annual service of anylizer £100 ish average. Rant done sorry guys.

 

[arran197]

I know what you're saying. Can't see it happening though. And think about the other costs involved. Registering every new appliance with the government. Then someone is going to have to keep on top of it all, fining people who don't have the checks done.

Then how do you make someone pay for a service in their own home? It's not like a car that the police can seize, you can't really seize someone's home. The current system works, if people want a service they get peace of mind. If they don't, there's always the chance something will go wrong and kill your family. Those that decide not to have to face the fact they took that risk should anything happen.

 

[REDSAW]

no but the gas transporter can cut your supply then charge to re-instate it?.

problem is like you dont need an mot or insurance on your own land!.

 

[xpertbert]

Landlords are checked and made to keep up to date, so we're is the difference. If things are made law the majority play ball and just get on with. You always have those in life that think there above it.

 

[REDSAW]

difference is there renting it out to 3rd party.

 

[xpertbert]

I know mate, but I think you get my drift on the whole subject, safety is safety in my eyes. Not wether its rented out or not.

 

[REDSAW]

the ones to implement it is the insurance companies.
no safety cert no buildings ins no mortgage.

 

[gavinwilson]

insurance companies aint gonna go for that ,they`d lose money.

 

[gavinwilson]

maybe im talking rubbish but if you take it too far people will just switch to elec and do with out gas,suppose you would have to weigh up the cost.

 

[xpertbert]

Hey but gas safe are on our back. If we don't register boilers, rule for one then another rule for others, it's all about the money and it's us that keep paying for the joy of signing our lives away to appliance after appliance

 

[E4gas]

I know what you're saying. Can't see it happening though. And think about the other costs involved. Registering every new appliance with the government. Then someone is going to have to keep on top of it all, fining people who don't have the checks done.

Then how do you make someone pay for a service in their own home? It's not like a car that the police can seize, you can't really seize someone's home. The current system works, if people want a service they get peace of mind. If they don't, there's always the chance something will go wrong and kill your family. Those that decide not to have to face the fact they took that risk should anything happen.

I Was told by gas safe inspector that it can't be done as there's not enough gas safe engineers to cover The country,,

 

[AWheating]

id rather the police spend there time doing something constructive. by the time this sort of system got to the stage where it worked properly we would run out of gas anyway. The government can not run the nhs, schools, well most things correctly so why ask them to stuff something else up?

i think the best we could hope for would be to try and stop the sale of certain items to non gsr people but thats against human rights

 

[kirkgas]

Landlords are checked and made to keep up to date, so we're is the difference. If things are made law the majority play ball and just get on with. You always have those in life that think there above it.

says the guy whinging about CPA,
it has been said before but i dont think forcing service will ever happen as it requires a government to grow a pair, and that doesnt happen often, as there are more voters than gas engineers which political party will have a manifesto saying vote for us and we will make you pay £60-100 to get your boiler serviced, and if they did do it everyone else who could justify it would try to get their trade covered by mandatory testing, would you say boiler service after 3rd yr like the MOT, or if annual would you be happy to get your car serviced and your electrics checked every yr? i know you can come back and say a boiler is more dangerous than a car, but is it? how many people die per year from CO from a gas appliance or from a gas leak, the reality is very very very few, so it aint gonna happen as the risk management theory will kick in and not enough people die to merit the cost, not having a go at you, but it has been discussed a lot and is dead in the water,
landlords are different as they have a care of duty as they provide a service, just the same as the driving analogy you used with car hire and tool hire firms, they need to get rental equipment checked before each hire, so again would you like to take all your own personal kit like drills extentions, transformers etc etc to speedy hire once a year to get it all checked, if you are an emplyee your boss has to get the kit checked because he gives it to you to use so again care of duty, count up who else could jump on your band wagon and demand the government make you get all the stuff checked that "might" cause a problem

 

[kirkgas]

the ones to implement it is the insurance companies.
no safety cert no buildings ins no mortgage.

this is where it could be implemented, and why not? as they have to pay out for claims for work not done properly which leads to problems

 

[kirkgas]

insurance companies aint gonna go for that ,they`d lose money.

i dunno, if they buy up any more gas work they could get their own guys to do the work and therefore get paid twice, once from the insurance policy and once from the mandatory boiler check

 

[xpertbert]

So I'm whinging Kirkgas, perhaps I am. I believe I hav worked damm hard in this industry, and paid a absolute fortune into it, 23 years in total, it might not be as long as some of you folk. I have put my heart and soul into this, I feel let down from this industry that all that keeps happening is them trying to get more and more in the industry when it's over staffed now. Why because that's we're the monies made in training us all, we keep paying for nowt back. Hey if it's me being mardy so what.
all I want to do is provide a good service, get the chance to build a customer ase up again without having to fight tooth and nail to win jobs and look after my customers.
So If it was directed at me I don't like eing told I'm whinging.

 

[secret squirrel]

Interesting discussion,

Part of the problem is that the car mot is only valid on the day and at the time it was issued.

This is the same with the gas safety certificate.

As has been brought up on numersous occasions a gas safety certificate is not a service, so, now the house holder has to pay for a service at £50 plus a gas safe cert at another £50. Then the boiler breaks down a week later for the engineer to go 'ahh it was alright when I checked it'.

This is 100% correct as well, as we all know things work well 1 minute and break down the next through no fault of the engineer. However, in an industry that is going through such hard times do we need more regulation.

I hate the thought of this or any other damn Government putting more regulations on us, it'll be the people struggling now that will have to find the money. Forget gas for a moment and look how much money 'you' personally HAVE to spend each year and get nothing for it and now you want us to spend more.

Council tax, road tax, pointless MOT, insurance premium tax, utilities tax, the list is endless.

What I'd like to see is a revolution! I'd like to raise the houses of parliment to the ground and start again, I'd keep the moncharcy but only the Queen, Philip (he makes me laugh) William and Harry. The rest wouldn't get a penny.

I'd then have a constituiton.

One for the 'jocks' you can have Scotland but we're keeping the English oil......

REVOLT....

 

[stevetheplumber]

So I'm whinging Kirkgas, perhaps I am. I believe I hav worked damm hard in this industry, and paid a absolute fortune into it, 23 years in total, it might not be as long as some of you folk. I have put my heart and soul into this, I feel let down from this industry that all that keeps happening is them trying to get more and more in the industry when it's over staffed now. Why because that's we're the monies made in training us all, we keep paying for nowt back. Hey if it's me being mardy so what.
all I want to do is provide a good service, get the chance to build a customer ase up again without having to fight tooth and nail to win jobs and look after my customers.
So If it was directed at me I don't like eing told I'm whinging.

tougheningup of the gas regs has provided us with a lot of income just the amount of landlords certs to start with
the real problem is the dramatic cuts in prices brought about by to many people in the country

 

[the baker]

Just shelled out £165 pound for anylizer course today . Yes it was really helpfull , and I don't have a choice soon because they make it law for us to have.QUOTE]

So you lost a days wages and paid £165 pus fuel cost to get to your ACS centre yet most of those who's Five Yearly ACS re-sits will have got the CPA1 included for nowt!

Equally those taking it after March 31st will have CPA1 included in CCN2 which I believe replaces CCN1.

The way CPA1 has been implemented is a shambles.

Tim

 

[kirkgas]

So I'm whinging Kirkgas, perhaps I am. I believe I hav worked damm hard in this industry, and paid a absolute fortune into it, 23 years in total, it might not be as long as some of you folk. I have put my heart and soul into this, I feel let down from this industry that all that keeps happening is them trying to get more and more in the industry when it's over staffed now. Why because that's we're the monies made in training us all, we keep paying for nowt back. Hey if it's me being mardy so what.
all I want to do is provide a good service, get the chance to build a customer ase up again without having to fight tooth and nail to win jobs and look after my customers.
So If it was directed at me I don't like eing told I'm whinging.

yes it was directed at you which was obvious as i quoted what you had written, because you said if customers were made to get boilers serviced because its law then they would simply do it, but CPA1 is law and you were told to do it, so why arent you just doing it because its law, i appreciate some people have issues with being retrained, but how else would you keep upskilled, i know a lot of guys do keep themself uptodate, but i have met many many more who simply dont and they wonder why the industry has a bad name,

 

[kirkgas]

here is a question for those you have done the meaningless qualification that is CPA1, if you took straight assessment no prob, but of those who say it is pointless and meaningless, why do so many bottle it when offered assessment only for £40 and opt for a mornings training, if you are an expert and its meaningless then do the exam only, i have put many competant people through CPA1 in less than 2hrs because they are experts, but some struggle with the concept of the training and TBH they scrape through the assessment (which must be the easiest assessment you will ever be asked to do)