NCS - filling loop and electric cable, condensate discharge pipe?

[bassmonster]

I've not seen this type of filing loop? is it an old type thingy or some form of improvisation?
also, the electric power cable seems to have a dodgy connection and is going behind the pipes...is this ok as i would personally never do that as it's next to pipes that become very very hot..

oh, and the condensate trap discharge pipe is what seems to be like from a washing machine

thank you.

(i'm working towards my ACS)

 

[IDCHAPPY]

The terminal strip is a shocker.... The quick fill looks ok as I presume the longer of the valves has a built in check valve.
Wire looks to be too close to the gas pipe(should be 25 mm +).
Where's the safety valve pipework?

 

[IDCHAPPY]

That 15mm going into 22 mm must be it? Sheessh

 

[bassmonster]

What's a safety valve pipework?
Which If any unsafe situation would the wire be classified as?

 

[IDCHAPPY]

I'd class the cable as NCS, but the terminal strip is shocking, should be wired properly or hidden in a junction box.
The safety valve pipework may also be known as the pressure relief valve pipework or safety blow off?

 

[IDCHAPPY]

If the condensate hose is not the manufacturers proper hose then that's another score against it.

 

[Meady]

What boiler is it, as it looks a bit like a potterton.

 

[bassmonster]

the boiler is a Baxi combi 105he. these were discontinued back in 2007.

so if the wiring is NCS and the condensate trap too, does that mean it would equate to AR?

 

[beesley121]

the boiler is a Baxi combi 105he. these were discontinued back in 2007.

so if the wiring is NCS and the condensate trap too, does that mean it would equate to AR?

No - Ncs no matter how many are just ncs

been a few years but 2 AR's on a open flued appliance is upgraded to id, that's the only time you 'add' them together to go to the next level. Somone please correct me if I'm wrong ;-(

 

[kirkgas]

No - Ncs no matter how many are just ncs

been a few years but 2 AR's on a open flued appliance is upgraded to id, that's the only time you 'add' them together to go to the next level. Some please correct me if I'm wrong ;-(

You are correct

 

[beesley121]

You are correct

So I can tell my customers i do know what I'm doing, honest

 

[galaxy_plumbing]

write all your ncs down on your cp12 or whatever so dirty landlord knows

 

[phil the bucket]

There's no way I would walk out the door and leave that cable like that it would take 10 min to run a new cable from the spur back to the boiler
If the landlord agree to it of course otherwise I would id the boiler

 

[AWheating]

can you classify something external from the boiler and its parts under the unsafe sitituations proceedure? or does it come under another part some other regulations

 

[kirkgas]

So I can tell my customers i do know what I'm doing, honest

That's pushing it, maybe you were lucky this time ;-)

 

[GrahamM]

No - Ncs no matter how many are just ncs

been a few years but 2 AR's on a open flued appliance is upgraded to id, that's the only time you 'add' them together to go to the next level. Somone please correct me if I'm wrong ;-(

You are incorrect.
Two or more NCS's relating to open flued appliance flue & ventilation may be upgraded to AR if you deem them serious enough. It is at your discretion.

 

[GrahamM]

There's no way I would walk out the door and leave that cable like that it would take 10 min to run a new cable from the spur back to the boiler
If the landlord agree to it of course otherwise I would id the boiler

Why would you ID this?

 

[phil the bucket]

Would u leave a live cable exposed like that cause I wouldn't it's up to u at the end of the day .

 

[Millsy 82]

You are incorrect.
Two or more NCS's relating to open flued appliance flue & ventilation may be upgraded to AR if you deem them serious enough. It is at your discretion.

I was always told 2 ncs on either flueing or ventilation would make it AR nothing about just on open flued.

 

[Millsy 82]

Would u leave a live cable exposed like that cause I wouldn't it's up to u at the end of the day .

You advise the responsible person that there is an electrical fault that needs to be addressed urgently and put it on your paperwork. Its not a gas fault so you cant use gas unsafe procedures to turn off the boiler. If you are an electrician as well I would imagine you could through electrical regs.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

anybody notice the weird looking joints on the flow and the gas? no way are they 22mm sockets

 

[GrahamM]

Would u leave a live cable exposed like that cause I wouldn't it's up to u at the end of the day .

Bit of insulating tape round the connector block........never an ID situation!!!!

 

[phil the bucket]

You advise the responsible person that there is an electrical fault that needs to be addressed urgently and put it on your paperwork. Its not a gas fault so you cant use gas unsafe procedures to turn off the boiler. If you are an electrician as well I would imagine you could through electrical regs.

Like I said its up to the person what u do
To be honest I would just put it right for the sake of a bit of cable before I left take 5 10 min and a clear conscience to boot

 

[GrahamM]

I was always told 2 ncs on either flueing or ventilation would make it AR nothing about just on open flued.

Are you going to AR a room sealed appliance for flue term too long, not sealed round wall and no terminal guard?
Unless anything has changed in 4 years from my last ACS applies to open flue flue and vent issues only.

 

[Millsy 82]

Are you going to AR a room sealed appliance for flue term too long, not sealed round wall and no terminal guard?
Unless anything has changed in 4 years from my last ACS applies to open flue flue and vent issues only.

It is still at your discretion. I resat mine 2 years ago and I spoke to the gas safe bloke about it as my thing was no terminal guard and flue hole not sealed so how can I AR that and thats when he said about your discretion.