New boiler - questionable install

[samchelsie]

Hi, i have had a new boiler installed and they have left the property without completing full scope of works.
Also have plugged the boiler into an extension lead on top of a toilet. (I will try and add a picture)
Any advice if this is ok or not please

 

[Chuck]

You can't use an extension lead as a permanent supply. You need an electrician to install a dedicated three pin outlet close to the boiler for it to plug into.

Looks to me as though the boiler team jumped the gun. I'd have wanted the toilet pan removed properly, the electrical worked completed and the wall re-plastered and/or repainted before the boiler went in. This can all be done with it in situ but it would have been easier to have done things in the right order.

Wireless receiver may be a bit close to the boiler (check the MIs) and might want moving as part of the electrical works but the pipework looks quite nicely done as far as one can tell from the photo.

 

[PETE 123]

Looks neat to me maybe the electrics was not in original estimate.

 

[samchelsie]

Looks neat to me maybe the electrics was not in original estimate.

Installing new cabling and fuse spur was including in the origianl quote. Also pipe work being routed outside and no agreement of removing toilet

 

[Deleted member 120897]

There’s a switch right by it, would only need changing if it’s not already fused. Receivers are usually 30cm away from boiler to prevent interference, but as suggested check the instructions. Extension lead and trailing cable is a no-no. Also flue could be too close to that air vent depending on if it’s vented outside.

 

[samchelsie]

There’s a switch right by it, would only need changing if it’s not already fused. Receivers are usually 30cm away from boiler to prevent interference, but as suggested check the instructions. Extension lead and trailing cable is a no-no. Also flue could be too close to that air vent depending on if it’s vented outside.

I will check instructions, thank you
The switch has no cables to or from. Scope was to install wiring. Instead they put a plug on the boiler, plugged it in and left
Now refusing to fix

 

[Deleted member 120897]

The switch has no cables to or from.

I take it you have checked this?

Scope was to install wiring. Instead they put a plug on the boiler, plugged it in and left
Now refusing to fix

As long as you have it writing in the quotation then I’d say you can take them to court, or however else it’s dealt with. I would check that vent too, as then gas safe could get involved.

 

[samchelsie]

I take it you have checked this?

As long as you have it writing in the quotation then I’d say you can take them to court, or however else it’s dealt with. I would check that vent too, as then gas safe could get involved.

Silly question maybe... what do i need to check with the vent? TIA

 

[Deleted member 120897]

Silly question maybe... what do i need to check with the vent? TIA

No not a silly question at all. Basically check the vent on the other side of the wall, if it’s vented, then it’s too close.

 

[samchelsie]

No not a silly question at all. Basically check the vent on the other side of the wall, if it’s vented, then it’s too close.

It looks like this externally (got picture on line as im not at home at the moment)

 

[samchelsie]

It looks like this externally (got picture on line as im not at home at the moment)

Silly question maybe... what do i need to check with the vent? TIA

And yes checked the spur. There is no electrics in the house other than temporary extension leads until rewire starts. Thats why it was in the scopes of work for the boiler install 👍

 

[Deleted member 120897]

It looks like this externally (got picture on line as im not at home at the moment)

If that’s definite and it’s not sealed with cement and vented fully through then it’s been installed as at risk imo. It might be worth a call to gas safe if this is found to be true.

 

[Knappers]

If there's no wiring in house then how are they supposed to wire it in?

 

[Ric2013]

No not a silly question at all. Basically check the vent on the other side of the wall, if it’s vented, then it’s too close.

I'd suggest even if it's been sealed up, it's too close. Not sure the gas regs would consider anything other than the possibility that the vent could pass air, so long as it it is there at all. (Waiting to get shot down by the forum gas installers if this assumption is wrong).

 

[Ric2013]

If there's no wiring in house then how are they supposed to wire it in?

True. Worth checking the quote. It may say 'connect to existing electrical installation'. But logically the extension lead plugs in somewhere.

OP - how is the extension lead plugged in?

The pipework routed outside looks to be an overpressure or condensate pipe and is probably correct to go outside (you can always post up a photo for us).

They removed the toilet without it being agreed?!

 

[Deleted member 120897]

I'd suggest even if it's been sealed up, it's too close. Not sure the gas regs would consider anything other than the possibility that the vent could pass air, so long as it it is there at all. (Waiting to get shot down by the forum gas installers if this assumption is wrong).

I think it’s acceptable as it’s no different from a brick, et al. The flue must be 300mm away from an opening to the building, other regs do apply but not in this scenario.

 

[Ric2013]

I think it’s acceptable as it’s no different from a brick, et al. The flue must be 300mm away from an opening to the building, other regs do apply but not in this scenario.

If sealed with mortar, I'd agree. But what if a DIYer had bunged silicone in it in the past to stop the draught? Surely still a vent? We had a recent discussion about what if a window pane is replaced with a bit of hardyboard and I thought we concluded it was still a window that could easily be turned back into a window. Hence my train of thought. Not saying I'm sure, mind you.

 

[Knappers]

I'd be happy if it was well sealed with mortar (no loose bits). I'd also seal internally but probably wouldn't pull it up on service if it wasn't.

 

[samchelsie]

True. Worth checking the quote. It may say 'connect to existing electrical installation'. But logically the extension lead plugs in somewhere.

OP - how is the extension lead plugged in?

The pipework routed outside looks to be an overpressure or condensate pipe and is probably correct to go outside (you can always post up a photo for us).

They removed the toilet without it being agreed?!

Quote stupilates installing supply for fused spur.

The extension lead is connected straight into the rcd of the new consumer unit. Its a temp supply for builders doing renovation work.
Rewire cant be done until roof leaks are fixed and wall structures have the correct steel beams in place.
There is a route to install a cable to supply the spur from consumer unit. Then obviously test. Job was scoped and confirmed before being given the job.

 

[samchelsie]

I'd be happy if it was well sealed with mortar (no loose bits). I'd also seal internally but probably wouldn't pull it up on service if it wasn't.

Just another question. If this was sealed up, would I need a vent in the bathroom with it having a boiler in?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Tbh would let the electrics go as you’ve got sparkles rewiring

But condense needs to be 11/4 min through the wall and insulated not overflow

 

[Deleted member 120897]

Just another question. If this was sealed up, would I need a vent in the bathroom with it having a boiler in?

No, these boilers don’t need ventilation for cooling and take their combustion air from outside via the flue.

 

[samchelsie]

No, these boilers don’t need ventilation for cooling and take their combustion air from outside via the flue.

Thank you

And have a picture from the outside now. Definitely not filled in

 

[Deleted member 120897]

Thank you

And have a picture from the outside now. Definitely not filled in

Is the installer gas safe registered? I would be contacting gas safe in that instance anyway, especially as he has no intention of fixing a trivial issues.

 

[Pssst]

Its just a personal thing but i would not have had all those pipes going vertically downward like that. I'd have gathered them together neatly to one side for a better appearance and also to provide the opportunity for them to be boxed in.