new smart meter

[Puddle]

Thought this artical on cost of the new proposed smart meters and uses my be of interest
as they say always double a government estamate

Smart meters 'could add £50 a year to energy bills' | Mail Online

 

[stevetheplumber]

Thought this artical on cost of the new proposed smart meters and uses my be of interest
as they say always double a government estamate

Smart meters 'could add £50 a year to energy bills' | Mail Online

personally i think every energy saving initative in the last 20 years has cost us money
we used to fit a lump of cast iron in the corner of the kitchen to supply heating and hot water most never needed more than a thermocouple or stat changing and lasted 20years minimum
now we put in super eficent computercontrolled spaceships that cost the earth to repair and probably have a lifespan of less than 12years
progress?

 

[migoplumber]

i agree with you steve, nothing wrong with a lump of cast iron, with the right controls. somebody has decided we have to go with super effiecent energy saving computer controlled stuff that as you say wont last 1/4 of older sytems lifespans. yep more effiecent, and pay for themselves within 5 years. but i dont believe they factored in replacement pcb's or the fact that we have to carry around a laptop nowdays to plug into boiler and help fault find. optimizers! whats that about? electronic time clocks that last a year. no thank you.
forced upon me, and i have to work with them. energy effiecent? i think somebody needs a mental sectioning, tho they work in offices sat down all day inventing new rules, so dont really have a clue about real world.

shaun

i needed that.

 

[Puddle]

I was reading an article about this £2000 you can now get off a new car if you scrap your old car and they pointed out 40% of a new cars lifetime emissions is used in the production of the car itself so infact it is better to keep the old car on the road
It would be interesting to see what the figures are for boilers the old boilers could last at least twice as long as the new boiler, so you are manufacturing now at least two to one, then you have more break downs and you need more servicing ect
This ‘they pay for themselves in 5 years’ is for large homes, tip top insulation over sized radiators, don’t forget these boilers are only super efficient when heating up once all radiators are hot, efficiency is reduced considerably, homes are getting smaller and radiators are hot within 5 mins.
A little story on how much some of these boiler condensate, admitttedly this is about a ‘b’class boiler but still suppost to be condensating
If you cast your mind back to last winter we had some bad snowy weather and I got called out to this ‘b’ class boiler not working I found condensate trap in boiler full, so thought to myself, not lagged out side, ect but no, the condensate pipework went under sink straight to spigot on kitchen sink trap measured run 1,2m,strange I thought, removed pipework at trap and water/condensate poored out ,when I checked found the end of the spigot had never been cut!, what had happened is the snow had melted down flue and filled condensate pipework up, however this boiler had been installed for 2 ½ years and never had a problem meaning the boiler by itself, in normal operation had never managed to fill the short length of condensate pipe ,I wonder how long this boiler would take to pay for itself, yes it was a small flat