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An age-old problem, but the cause is uncertain. I have a 2-year old David Wilson house (just out of warranty) with an unvented hot water system and seperate thermostats for the ground and first floor. Whenever water is pumped to replenish the hot water cylinder or to heat upstairs radiators I hear a grinding noise behind a downstairs wall near to the boiler (but evidently not from the boiler itself). The downstairs heating can run without this problem.

The noise lasts about half a second and occurs regularly every 5 seconds or so. The frequency does not seem to be effected by the speed of the pump or, if it is, the difference is minimal.

From what I have read elsewhere, I believe the noise is most likely to be air in the pipes or pipes rubbing against the wooden frame or support brackets. I would describe the sound as more like two surfaces rubbing against each other, but I have no plumbing experience to base this on. It also seems unlikely to me that air would be trapped downstairs in a pipe running from the bottom to the top of the house!

I bled all the radiators three weeks ago (first time in two years). Most had no air in, although one upstairs rad had a significant amount. When I bleed the radiators now there appears to be no further air. Also the pressure in the system seems to remain constant at 1 bar.

Any views on this and/or advice would be gratefully received. If air is the cause, would draining and refilling the system definitely solve it? If it is pipes rubbing against something, is there any option apart from pulling the house down???
 
The pipes run straight from the boiler to the ceiling (a distance of about one foot) without clips.
 
Being honest, it could be many things. But when working on new work, I have sometimes noticed that second fix carpenters often cut boards tightly around pipes to make them look neat.

The problem is of course it doesn't allow for expansion and when the pipes start to expand you get all kinds of noise. Often if its through plaster board or possibly flooring the whole floor or plaster board area acts as a sound board and can be heard all over the place.
 
Quick fix - melt some candle wax into where the pipe passes through the ceiling / boards etc (assuming you can get access to the loft or wherever).
 
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