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Hi all! Like probably most of you guy's i served a 4-year apprenticeship and learned probably more since i was put out on my own! every day in most national and local papers you can see many ads advertising ( plumbing crash courses ) there just seem's to be more and more every time i check! Surely you need mostly hands-on experience to become competent and confident? I want to know everybody's opinions on this especially the more experienced engineers, can anyone actually tell a success story out of one of these courses???
 
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I took one of those 5 year fast track course's and have managed Ok,like any thing,its what you put in :smiley2: but you can not beat hands on experience

imho
 
im serious :)

3.5 years

cg 6129
unvented g3
Solar qualified
part L
part P defined scope
water regs
ACS/CCN/1 + LPG

11k later (made that back already) :)

and my time served boss of 20 years, 1000's of boilers and bathrooms later got me to install his own bathroom, i cant be that bad :)
 
Hi all! Like probably most of you guy's i served a 4-year apprenticeship and learned probably more since i was put out on my own! What annoys me is every day in most national and local papers you can see many ads advertising ( plumbing crash courses ) there just seem's to be more and more every time i check! Surely you need mostly hands-on experience to become competent and confident? I want to know everybody's opinions on this especially the more experienced engineers, can anyone actually tell a success story out of one of these courses???

What makes me laugh with the constant adverts telling people there's a shortage of plumbing and heating engineers or be a plumber and earn 50 k a year is that those companies don't give a dam about flooding the market, all they want to do is make there money, because this training lark is we're the money is, gone are the days were being a plumbing heating engineer was find work and get work a doddle, pick and choose your jobs.
Not anymore because every Tom, dick, Harry or even fanny doing it. I have nothing against people that do it and learn it well.
My problem is this trade keeps getting driven down because there is to many at advertising and willing to install stuff for nearly nothing, which just keeps driving our prices down, for the record 23 years installing gas, solid fuel, bathrooms etc. I hope no one is affended but it's only what I have seen in my area over last five years. :dots:
 
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I don't think 3 or 5 years like some of you guys have done is crash course, that to me is dedicated to your trade and making a go of it fair play
 
VIY 6 month crash course -3 years ago....
Part P full scope
OFTEC registered
Unvented cert
17th Edition cert
Part L

Three year's slow but successful trading and going strong :smiley2:
 
the course itself might be short, but who does the course and what experience and effort and commitmwnt they bring to it has a massive difference on success, i have trained a good few on the 6 month gas course who are more dedicated, committed and TBH better than many i have seen who are 20yrs in the trade, as these guys and gals have brought their experience to the table, i taught guys who got made redundant from an electronics factory where they spent 15 yrs or so developing machinery that cost £millions to build and some say i cant teach them to service a gas boiler
 
My situation is from a slightly different angle. Originally trained and qualified as a pipeline engineer, (as well as fitting pipes together it inlcudes pipeline design, thermodynamics, heating and fluid dynamics). As work became scarcer, I decided to do domestic as well. Unfortunately none of my earlier training was transferrable to the level 2, which I found silly, having to do such basic stuff just to get the bit of paper. I did a crash course to get the level 2 paperwork, though apart from the leadwork I could about do the rest with my eyes shut.

The course didn't teach much about anything other than domestic pipefitting (which isn't much different to what I was already trained in). It didn't teach much practical stuff such as installing showers, enclosures etc. It also taught outdated practices such as the use of lead clips for securing flashings, a method which is no logner recommended by the lead industry and has been superseded by stainless clips. What I did notice was how clueless some of the other entrants were.

Granted as a company I was already fairly well established and maintained a degree of pipeline work and oil boiler work to accompany my domestic stuff. My ancestors were in the trade as well so I did have knowledge in fitting appliances, I did OK. I have seen at least 4 people with little or no prior background in the trade who have done a fast track course set up in my area. Within a year of starting up, 3 of them had packed in, and the other one had gone back to tiling and doing a bit of bathroom work. I was asked to come and fix a leak in a bathroom done by one of these guys and to be honest, the standard of workmanship was utterly appaling. The shower tray wasn't even level and wobbled when someone stood in it, and the tiles had been put on plasterboard which had become wet and disintegrated. The only way to fix it was to rip out and start again.
 
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I did a 'crash course' 3.5 years ago and business is going well. It can be done as long as you approach the work afterwards with a good degree of respect and a sound knowledge of your own abilities.
 
My father is a plumber/heating engineer, so is my brother. I did it the old fashioned way, but with a twist.

While I learned from Pa, I did an NVQ 2 in night classes. That took me 2 years. Then did various other courses, unvented, solar thermal, ground source, and a plethora of gas stuff.

I think doing it that way is the best....but obviously not everyone has that luxury.

I'm still learning, and look back at the things I struggled with five years ago with utter disbelief. Time is key in this business, and no matter how dedicated you are, you can't fast forward experience.
 
I did a fast track and found it quite difficult at first when problems arose. Plenty of stress. Going well now though, but had to learn the hard way a few times.
 
done 4 year apprenticeship, SVQ3 boilers cookers fires unvented, had the advantage of making mistakes and getting away with them or someone pointing it out to me.
 

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