Price for oil boiler?

[Millsy 82]

How much would you charge to swap a small oil combi?

Went out to a job today and had a look and the woman said they have had a few prices through already and showed them to me most were around £3000 but not sure if that was plus vat or vat included (I didn't want to stand and stare at them) one of them was £2300ish! (I'm assuming that has to be +vat!)

Now I'm pricing it up off Williams and I'm already above those and I still haven't put a mag-one, expansion vessel on it! Not sure if I'm pricing for too much like new fire valve, filter, programmer, roomstat.

So what would you charge for
Grant vortex 21
Horizontal flue
Plume kit
Filter (grant say I have to fit a mag-one for 5year warranty)

Then would you do the rest?

I feel like I'm wasting my time but I have thought that before and still got the job.

 

[Millsy 82]

Oh but they are all pricing for Worcesters.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Best bet is to price it off a decent merchant, not those robbing barstewards.

 

[Millsy 82]

Well I thought that as well Ray but didn't have time to get there lol.

Do you do the mag-one filters? Can't see them on website so assuming not.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Well I thought that as well Ray but didn't have time to get there lol.

Do you do the mag-one filters? Can't see them on website so assuming not.

On the website here

 

[TFGplumbing]

Direct swap £6-700 labour + materials & sundries

Add 10% to materials for your time and bother for pricing them if you like

Rad valves additional extra
Control systems additional extra

Funny actually since i've raised my prices I've had more work, people never seem to go for the cheapest. I always price for a good spec, so like new filter, fire valve ete etc

 

[Ray Stafford]

Its only a 28mm intaklean filter with a different label, but they extend the warranty if you fit it.

If you prefer to use another filter, and get on well with your Grant rep, you can sometimes persuade them to do the warranty without the filter

 

[Millsy 82]

On the website here

Thanks. It doesn't come up with the other filters so just assumed you didn't.

 

[Millsy 82]

Direct swap £6-700 labour + materials & sundries

Add 10% to materials for your time and bother for pricing them if you like

Rad valves additional extra
Control systems additional extra

Funny actually since i've raised my prices I've had more work, people never seem to go for the cheapest. I always price for a good spec, so like new filter, fire valve ete etc

That's what I've done and I'm around £3300.00 (not finished it yet) so I'm not massively over but still over them. I get the feeling that she is after the cheapest that's why she showed me the quotes.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Thanks. It doesn't come up with the other filters so just assumed you didn't.

Ta for the tip, I'll get that fixed.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Give her menu pricing:

Basic job, no preparation, no making good, materials warranty only £xxxx
System clean before change £***
Magnetic filter £***
Additional warranty £***
Clearing site of old boiler etc £***
Then offer a small prompt-settlement discount for taking the whole she-bang.

 

[TFGplumbing]

Give her menu pricing:

Basic job, no preparation, no making good, materials warranty only £xxxx
System clean before change £***
Magnetic filter £***
Additional warranty £***
Clearing site of old boiler etc £***
Then offer a small prompt-settlement discount for taking the whole she-bang.

Thats what I like doing

 

[Destroyer2813]

Ta for the tip, I'll get that fixed.

Really means shout at someone to fix it :tounge_smile:

 

[Millsy 82]

Give her menu pricing:

Basic job, no preparation, no making good, materials warranty only £xxxx
System clean before change £***
Magnetic filter £***
Additional warranty £***
Clearing site of old boiler etc £***
Then offer a small prompt-settlement discount for taking the whole she-bang.

I usually do that for people who are unsure what they want but this woman didn't like that on another quote so that's a big no no here.

Talking her through telling her what I was going to do she seemed quite happy with what I was saying.

 

[SimonG]

Did a one last year old worcester se combi out, new he worcester combi back into same location. It was about 3,300. With labour and mark up on materials I like to clear about a grand on an oil install.

 

[julesverne]

quoting can be a bugger sometimes. and can be hard to judge if they are after a quality install a cheap price or both. sometimes it comes down to how you come across to them.

 

[Millsy 82]

Did a one last year old worcester se combi out, new he worcester combi back into same location. It was about 3,300. With labour and mark up on materials I like to clear about a grand on an oil install.

Was that including new fire valve filter roomstat etc?

 

[Millsy 82]

quoting can be a bugger sometimes. and can be hard to judge if they are after a quality install a cheap price or both. sometimes it comes down to how you come across to them.

Usually I don't even think about it I give them the price and never think if I get the job. On gas I won 7 out of 10 jobs so not too worried about that, but oil I haven't won 1 yet only priced 3 oil boilers but was a bit worried I was being stupid with my prices.

It seems from a few posts on here it's not too bad so will keep going with it.

 

[SimonG]

Was that including new fire valve filter roomstat etc?

No, everything else was in place and able to reuse. Waste pipe straight at the side of the boiler for the condense as well.

 

[TFGplumbing]

I'am too cheap i need to put my prices up by the look of it haha

 

[lame plumber]

2300 gas 3300 oil on an average swap

 

[CXR100]

if you hear the customer say that they want a quote for a Worcester, start telling them horror storys about Worcester, tell them that plumbers push a Worcester because they get the points to get tools, then tell them for example if gas, that a valiant is a better boiler. if they hint a Worcester then probably they had a quote for one already, if they hear this then they don't trust the other guys. this is what my old boss always did. but he did hate Worcester with a passion!!! I fitted a warmflow at home ,so far so good.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Really means shout at someone to fix it :tounge_smile:

Hey, I sullied my own lily-whites on that, if you don't mind!

 

[Millsy 82]

if you hear the customer say that they want a quote for a Worcester, start telling them horror storys about Worcester, tell them that plumbers push a Worcester because they get the points to get tools, then tell them for example if gas, that a valiant is a better boiler. if they hint a Worcester then probably they had a quote for one already, if they hear this then they don't trust the other guys. this is what my old boss always did. but he did hate Worcester with a passion!!! I fitted a warmflow at home ,so far so good.

I don't go telling horror stories as I think that is bad and I think the customer will just think your trying to bad mouth the others to get the job.

I have been asked a lot if I could fit a worcester and all I say is I'm not a fan of worcester and I prefer Baxi on gas and grant on oil, I then tell them why I prefer them and most people say oh I thought worcester were the best so I go through the good points and bad points of both boilers.

On a gas boiler I was honest to the person by saying if you have your heart set on a worcester then I will fit a worcester quite happily and asked what the other company's price was and what boiler it was she said it was a top one for £1750 I said it's probably a junior and I would only want to fit a Cdi and I won't beat that my price will be over £2000 and I probably won't offer the warranty on it that the other company can offer, I then said about Baxi and I said that I think they are better boilers and more reliable with a 7 year warranty blah blah blah I put my price in which was £1730 and I got it.

 

[Best]

I wouldn't recommend Warmflow, especially their Combi boilers. They are trouble as the heat exchanger connections and other bits leak. A lot of the shells have gone also.
As to a price for doing a combi oil boiler swap, I would have thought that can't be too hard a job with all the pipes already there. Even if it is a different model boiler it surely could be done in one day, but if you allow two days for time, it could be done for £500 - after all that is £1250 for a 5 day week.