Pricing a big job

[Guildfordboiler]

Hi Guys

I have never done any work for builders only peoples houses when there living there
I have been asked to price a job for a builder and am not sure how to price it as i normally only fit boilers and do ch upgrades

This is what ive got to price supplying all materials except sanitary ware

Supply and install
full heating system inc system boiler in utility room gas is in meter on outside wall
210 ltr megaflow in airing cupboard with valves etc
rads* 8 all pipe in floor one main drop
under floor heating in kitchen diner approx. 15 sqr m

cloak room first & second fix
main bathroom inc bath , shower , basin ,wc first and second fix
2* en suites inc shower basin and wc first and second fix
2* soil stacks One has got to go up to the en suite thats in the loft
first and second fix the kitchen and utility room

ive done a quick cost for the materials and its around £6500

what would you say the labour price would roughly me for this kind of job and would you mark up the materials ?

cheers

 

[kay-jay]

Labour as normal. If you think the builder may give you more work then don't mark up the materials.

Whatever price you give him explain it would usually be ...... and give the total you would normally charge a private customer. You have now told him how much he can stick on top.
After all he has won the job already and ultimately it is the customer paying the bill.

 

[Megaflo-Experts]

Try to weigh up the pros and cons with the actual work - an empty property is generally easier to work in, and you can just crack on with it. You don't have to worry about dust sheets, making good, etc. But, don't forget there may be other trades in there, and you may get in each others way! Also, you'll have to keep an eye on your power tools!
Builders generally want a the cheapest working solution, and are generally focussed on the costs.
'Real' customers typically want value for money and will pay a sensible price for a good quality installation.

As Kay-Jay says, labour rate as normal but total hours will probably be less. You'll be responsible for the plumbing, so remember to maintain a standard you're comfortable with and don't cut corners to do it cheaper...I assume you have a reputation to maintain

 

[hammers4spanner]

First thing back ground credit check the builder and ask around about them if they are a steady ship or not .

Secondly defo put a bufffer on materials 20% is now what i always do have tried 10% it doesnt work way to tight .

Thirdly on youe estimate put usuals regarding builder drills holes makes good etc etc ( think about payment terms)

Fourth issue trades and materials will be on site so could be a mess so could lose day or two with this issue

Fifth email any issues to give you a paper trail in case you have a problem disscuss verbally and you get the 'you never said that'

I do alot of work for builders and its a headache with them but once you build a rapport you can get steady amount of work from them , biggest problem is your credit limit on your account as they can suck in serious amount of gear

 

[hammers4spanner]

Oh and the other thing they can really test your knowledge and skill as you will come across all types of systems and materials to alter /add on etc etc

Not a bad thing imho

 

[Ermintrude]

Test it all with air after first fix. Leave a gauge on at 3 bar. Wood monkeys or boarders love pipes. Lots of photographs of your work as when u come back for second fix and no rad tails or soil stack branches now missing.

 

[Guildfordboiler]

so roughly what would you charge for the labour or how much time would you allow

was talking to a sparks and he said he charges £300 a day on new builds

 

[Dotty]

We can't discuss pricing in open forum.

But decide on a realistic hourly rate to take into account overheads (Tools, training, van, fuel, calibration, profit etc) then times that by the length of time you estimate to do the job.

adjust your daily rate accordingly and so on.

 

[Ermintrude]

Difficult to say.,is it plastic fantastic or croppa? Most builders want plastic . If its plastic fist fix in a day

 

[Dotty]

Difficult to say.,is it plastic fantastic or croppa? Most builders want plastic . If its plastic fist fix in a day

Never, ever use my name and the word fist in the same paragraph.

Sends shivers up my spine........

 

[Ermintrude]

Your just envious because 108mm & 225mm isn't available in push fit .

 

[Guildfordboiler]

I was thinking

1 day 1st fix a bathroom inc shower trays and bath =3 days
1 day per stack =2 days
first fix cloakroom =1/2 day
first fix kitchen =1/2 day
hang boiler run primaries to airing cupboard pipe megaflow and zone valves etc =2 days
fit all rads and pipe heating circuit =3 days
fit underfloor heating = 2days
2nd fix bathrooms =3 days
2nd fix utility room and cloakroom = 1day
2nd fix kitchen 1/2 day

test pipework 1/2 day
commission boiler and paperwork inc registering
warranty and gas safe notification =1/2 days

 

[Chalked]

19 days in total?
i wouldn't get the job around here at a priced day rate. That job for me would be about 5 days first fix and about the same second fix.

 

[Ermintrude]

19 days in total?
i wouldn't get the job around here at a priced day rate. That job for me would be about 5 days first fix and about the same second fix.

Was thinking the same.

 

[Guildfordboiler]

How the hell can you do all that to a good standard in 2 weeks?

forgot not plastic all copper

 

[Chalked]

How the hell can you do all that to a good standard in 2 weeks?

forgot not plastic all copper

Like anything else. Once you have been doing it for many years you become quicker.

 

[Guildfordboiler]

ive been doing it 15 yrs although mainly heating fairly quick on that its the bathrooms as last bathroom i did was 3 years ago last stack was a year ago!!

 

[Chalked]

Looking at your working out your about right on the bathrooms. A bit over on the stacks. But I think you are separating the first fix into running circulatory and rads separately, surely you are running those, the rads and hot and cold at the same time.
End of the day if you think it's going to take that long then that is what you must base your price on.

 

[Ermintrude]

Look at job, set out then just lay into it. I'm not a 2hr lunch break and finish at 4! Set goals and hit them before end of day. Organisation helps a lot. buying one of this two of that takes about an hour Schedule out Job and get whole lot in one swoop at merchants.

 

[so-solar]

I have just done a job similar to that, The builder didn't get a lot of change out of 10 grand