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BLOD

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customer wants a pump fitted on the hot water so all hw outlets are pumped.
The system has mains cold water throughout and gravity hot water with gravity secondary return.
I'm not too sure how the secondary return part of the system will react with a pump being fitted.
Has anyone done similar ?
 
customer wants a pump fitted on the hot water so all hw outlets are pumped.
The system has mains cold water throughout and gravity hot water with gravity secondary return.
I'm not too sure how the secondary return part of the system will react with a pump being fitted.
Has anyone done similar ?

If I ever encounter a booster pump on a plumbing system it tells me there is a problem. The problem is that the plumbing system is not fit for purpose - root analysis.

Fitting a booster pump just treats a symptom. Booster Pumps on plumbing systems always cause problems.

The key problem you will have here is 'cavitation'. Given that the primaries are gravity, it tells me there will be no or little control over hot water temperature, this means that in winter the boiler stat will be set on 80-85 degrees plus in order to get the rads hot (which results in the gravity primaries providing hot water at the same temperature).

The very nature of a booster pump causes positive pressure on one side (1-3 bar) and negative pressure on the inlet side. The negative pressure is important to consider, because it causes water to boil at lower temperatures, producing steam. The pump cannot prime if it is full of vapour and this causes cavitation or water boiling at lower temperatures - there are affects of this, which are detrimental to booster pumps.

The consequences are usually noise and early failure of pump.

In addition you may encounter taps, mixers and shower problems because the core of the existing system is designed for low pressure. Add to this micro leaks on the inlet side of the secondary pump, and you have a nest of vipers.

Modern pumps are particularly sensitive to temperature, and this must be maintained in the hot-water storage at 60-65 degrees c, which is impossible with gravity primaries in winter.
 
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sorry didn't explain it well at all,

Primaries are fully pumped
all cold outlets are direct from mains
all hot outlets are gravity, (tank on top floor)
 
sorry didn't explain it well at all,

Primaries are fully pumped
all cold outlets are direct from mains
all hot outlets are gravity, (tank on top floor)

I'd convert to uvhws. You can keep the secondary return then.
 
Hi Blod,
I have fitted booster pumps to gravity hot water,they were both in old houses that had originally
had no bathroom upstaires,so when the upstaires bathroom was fitted the hot was taken from
downstaires to up so the flow upstaires was poor because it went down then back up again.
So as an experiment to avoid major repiping,i fitted a stuart turner 1.4 bar pump.
The cylinders were in the loft so pump went at the side of the cylinder then down in 22mm
then in existing 22copper pipework.I spoke to stuart trurner tech and they said it was ok
to do this as the pump was also feeding a shower unit in the bathroom with hot and cold
indirect.so when just hot water the cold side has no flow,but stuart turner tech said this
was no problem.That was 3 years ago and it has worked great ever since.It fills a large corner
bath in no time.customer very happy and got other work on the back of tis job.
 

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