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sarafw

hi all,
im new on this forum. Im currently studying for me technical level 3 in plumbing, and our project is to design all the plumbing and heating from the mains for a brand new house.
i have decided this is what i want to specialise in or this is the field i want to go into, when i asked my tutor he said this is called a ''service engineer'' and you have to have a degree to get the title.
I've been trying to do some research about courses etc, but have come up with nothing.
So.... im wondering, is a civil engineer the same thing? i looked up the job description and it said ''designs, plans and manages the priojects''. which is i guess what i want to do.
i want to do the plans and the drawings and workings out....
i hope someone can point me in the right direction..
thanks
sara
 
hi all,
im new on this forum. Im currently studying for me technical level 3 in plumbing, and our project is to design all the plumbing and heating from the mains for a brand new house.
i have decided this is what i want to specialise in or this is the field i want to go into, when i asked my tutor he said this is called a ''service engineer'' and you have to have a degree to get the title.
I've been trying to do some research about courses etc, but have come up with nothing.
So.... im wondering, is a civil engineer the same thing? i looked up the job description and it said ''designs, plans and manages the priojects''. which is i guess what i want to do.
i want to do the plans and the drawings and workings out....
i hope someone can point me in the right direction..
thanks
sara

No, a civil engineer, in my head aleast, is civil projects like roads etc. I wouldnt of said you'd need a degree to be a service engineer on domestic propertys? Would need further training for commercial and industrial. But if you want to go down the university route, there is lvl 4 in mechnical engineering and plumbing.
 
Plumbing Mechanical Service's Engineer. Fancy name for a Plumber, brought out to try and change the publics perception of a Plumber. Still used today JIB for Plumbing Mechanical Service Engineers PMS for short. Problem is I think nobody knew what they where going on about, so they seem to have gone back to Plumber. I use it only when posing He! He!Funny though most people usually say "Whats one of those?" when you say a dressed up Plumber name. They know then.
 
In the UK to be classed as an enginer one first has to gain a university degree.
 
studying part time for my degree at the moment to be come a machnical estmator, on my papers im classed as a machnical service engineer.
 
Strange.I live now in the twilight zone

I was trained in the dark ages

We are called to a job,inspected the mains supply,checked pressure and condition,looked at plans,heating and hot water requirements and possible future requirements,worked out heat losses and radiator sizes,worked out hot water requirements and storage requirements as required,pipe sizes,any pumped hot water requirements and positioning ect ,ect gave detailed quotation and away you went installed all plumbing as per requirements
Commitioned ,tested,checked all operations,checked with client all requirements met,adjusted as required
Presented invoice and paid
And at the end of the day you were a plumber
Now someone does a fraction of the work,probably unable to do the rest and wants to call himself a 'service engineer with a DEGREE'

ooooh


sit on this !!!!!

What you want to do is sit on yur as# do a few drawings ,that we will have to alter anyway and when it comes to any real work ,hide behind your desk
 
ok..... well thanks to those who replied in a friendly and helpful manner, a service engineer it is then.

now then mr puddle.....
i was totally with you until you decided to get sarcastic and rude.
number one..... i said i wanted to specialise in the whole drawing and designing side of things....that certainly doesnt mean i want to ''hide behind a desk'' if i did then i would be a pretty little secretary like most men think women should be in the trade.
That is not why i decided to study plumbing.....i want to get my hands dirty and do what aplumber does.Not that i need to justify myself to you.
But as you know there are many diff things you can decide to do in plumbing, or at least thats how i have been taught.
to be a plumber doesnt mean you do unblocking toilets all day long.
you may want to specialise in unvented systems for eg, or guttering, or boilers, and yet its still called a plumber.. so ALL i was asking was what is it called so that i can look it up and decide if thats what i want to train more in.Not be judged in what i decide.
sara.
 
ok..... well thanks to those who replied in a friendly and helpful manner, a service engineer it is then.

now then mr puddle.....
i was totally with you until you decided to get sarcastic and rude.
number one..... i said i wanted to specialise in the whole drawing and designing side of things....that certainly doesnt mean i want to ''hide behind a desk'' if i did then i would be a pretty little secretary like most men think women should be in the trade.
That is not why i decided to study plumbing.....i want to get my hands dirty and do what aplumber does.Not that i need to justify myself to you.
But as you know there are many diff things you can decide to do in plumbing, or at least thats how i have been taught.
to be a plumber doesnt mean you do unblocking toilets all day long.
you may want to specialise in unvented systems for eg, or guttering, or boilers, and yet its still called a plumber.. so ALL i was asking was what is it called so that i can look it up and decide if thats what i want to train more in.Not be judged in what i decide.
sara.
How do you know it's a Mr Puddle.....maybe it's Miss,Ms,Mrs,Doctor or Lord or Lady Puddle!!!!LOL
 
lol, well helpsy you are absolutley right,but i think ill stand by my assumption.x
 
ok..... well thanks to those who replied in a friendly and helpful manner, a service engineer it is then.

now then mr puddle.....
i was totally with you until you decided to get sarcastic and rude.
number one..... i said i wanted to specialise in the whole drawing and designing side of things....that certainly doesnt mean i want to ''hide behind a desk'' if i did then i would be a pretty little secretary like most men think women should be in the trade.
That is not why i decided to study plumbing.....i want to get my hands dirty and do what aplumber does.Not that i need to justify myself to you.
But as you know there are many diff things you can decide to do in plumbing, or at least thats how i have been taught.
to be a plumber doesnt mean you do unblocking toilets all day long.
you may want to specialise in unvented systems for eg, or guttering, or boilers, and yet its still called a plumber.. so ALL i was asking was what is it called so that i can look it up and decide if thats what i want to train more in.Not be judged in what i decide.
sara.

Sara,

I think that you will find, that the name for a person who designs the plumbing in a building other than a simple house/shop,etc, (which is decided either on site or by the architect) is called a plumbing design engineer, possibly a mechanical services design (but then it would take in the other parts of the design like heating, fire services, electrical, etc), and your time will mostly be in an office, with visits to sites and clients, BUT THERE WILL BE NO GETTING YOUR HANDS DIRTY , the best design engineers are those who were taken off the site, after taking an apprenticeship in plumbing, and then did further training for the design of plumbing, this was how it was done in the "dinosaur days", and the designer could appreciate the problems to be found on site work
Having said this there will always be a need for a good hands on plumber who can design the plumbing and heating for small works, and houses, etc, and install it

Another thing that can influence your decision is where you live, country or town, in my time I have been in a design office, working on the design for the plumbing for, motels, shopping centres, a Gentelmens Club, medium rise office blocks, worked on the tools, at the Barbican London, Ultra luxury flats in London, The Old Baily central criminal court, the servicing hangar for the 747 aircraft at London Heathrow, pharmaceuticals laboratories, university laboratories,, schools, and also when working in the country, private water supplies, and septic tank drainage
The materials I have worked with range from gold plated fittings, large bore copper tube with spelter brazed loose flange connections, and hand formed branches, right through to 12" cast Iron rainwater drainage, and water mains, taking in, plastics as well, both PVC and polythene water mains, polythene gas mains, and PVC drainage, I also worked in the middle east, schools in Saudi, a small portable desalination seawater to drinking water plant in the now U A E

The choice is yours, but remember that most plumbers who get their hands dirty, as you put it, do not get to be in an office and put pen to paper and design the plumbing, those who do, stay in the office and do not get out on the site, and get their hands dirty
 
Hi Sara
I would think that being a female(going by your name),you would do very well by being in an industry(practical side) that I would say is generally male dominated.
Some people may feel more at ease(elderly,single women) by having a female attend their properties,than some hairy assed plumber(not all of you!!!).
Stick with the hands on side and use it to your advantage.
 
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Plouasne... thank you soooooo much, that was so helpful.
i see what you are saying now, that you either do the small jobs and therefore can design them yourself which is what a normal day to day plumber does( like you said on site or by architecht) or you do the office side.
what i was trying to say by getting my hands dirty is that i hadnt decided yet in what i wanted to really get into, im deciding between the mechanical services designer or just being in the industry as helpsy put it.
so thank you agaibn all of you who helped me. really apreciate it. see things a lot clearer now!
xxxxx
 
How much did you pay?!!!!!!LOL
 
i think the job title is called 'Design Engineer' heard of it somewhere. What interested you in that from plumbing ? You probably need 5 A's to get on the course and get a degree, good luck anyway.
 
To be honest, im in my second year of studying plumbing and althoguh i enjoy all of it i hadnt found the one thing that REALLY took my interest...and then we started doing this project and the whole designing and having to work out where its all gonna go and figuring out whats the best way to do things etc, it just really got my interest , so i was just trying to find out more about it really.
Im loving plumbing and just want to get out there and start working and get the experience in.
Yeah my tutor said i would need a degree which is why i was trying to find out some more info but couldnt find none, hence why i put the post on here to see if i was looing under the right name.
 
second year of level 2 or level 3? And are you going to go on to gas or do this degree ?

Im unsure myself what to do next year.
 
some people really are stuck in the dark ages!!
 
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im doing level 3, but only technical certificate, not nvq. so its all theory.
like i keep on saying thats why i wanted to figure out what i want ot work in cos i dont want to spend another 3 yrs training in a degree and then be nearly 30 and still not be doing what i want to do!
im not sure super mario..... im tempted by the whole gas thing, and being a woman i think it would work in my interest (single mums, elderly and some religious women etc)
but then again like i said this project thing really got my interest in the whole design so im still undecided.
 
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