Signing off other prople's work....

[Dotty]

We all know it's a no-no. Unfortunately one of my directors doesn't and has challenged me to provide him with the legislative document saying we can't.

And I'm buggered if I can find it!

Help!

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

I dont think it exists, i think im with your boss on this one


waiting to be shot down in flames

 

[Killy Bing]

Do they have the tickets to do the work themselves but you're commissioning it?

or are they putting it in without qualifications and then you're signing it off?

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

I think theirs something in the gas safe installations and use. Just have to find the right bit.

 

[Dotty]

Do they have the tickets to do the work themselves but you're commissioning it?

or are they putting it in without qualifications and then you're signing it off?

Dunno, convo didn't get that!

 

[northcarr]

I used to do new build work on the books,they would not pay for us to get gsr. We used to mount the boilers pipe up the pipe that could be used for gas and stop 50mm from the boiler cut out for the flue.the builder then got a company to connect gas pipe fit flue and commission. This was a few yrs ago but one of the lads rang gsr as we knew we it was a bit iffy they didn't want to know.

 

[Killy Bing]

Section 2 C, I and K ??

Breaking the rules of registration of gas safe.

only thing i can think of you being able to use!

 

[Killy Bing]

[DLMURL]https://engineers.User PlumbersForums.net Instead - Copy the content, don't link to it.co.uk/doc/gsr_rules_of_registration.pdf[/DLMURL]

 

[stevetheplumber]

ive said it before on site work it happens every day due to the high turn over of labour

 

[Dotty]

Section 2 C, I and K ??

Breaking the rules of registration of gas safe.

only thing i can think of you being able to use!

[DLMURL]https://engineers.User PlumbersForums.net Instead - Copy the content, don't link to it.co.uk/doc/gsr_rules_of_registration.pdf[/DLMURL]

Not legislation though is it?

 

[Killy Bing]

Not legislation though is it?

And if you get struck off the register then what will he be directing?

The company has agreed to those terms to be able to undertake gas work

 

[Dotty]

I daresay it's a risk he's going to take. I've a nasty feeling what I'm going to get told!

 

[Killy Bing]

Argue to comply with gas safe you need to supervise the work being undertaken?
he might decide its too much hassle then.

however if he doesnt have enough man power and needs fresh blood to take on new work......

 

[AWheating]

i prefered it when the benchmark had a section for commissioning engineer and installer. When i got asked to do this in the past Id then fill out the commissioning section and put the name down of the person who installed it as the installer, even if he was not GS registerd. Gaffa soon got the point as his paperwork proved he was allowing illegal gas work to be done.

i believe gas safe wrote something about it being against the law in a previous gas safe mag.

 

[keltoyboy]

It depends on which side of the border the work is in..... in the south its a def no no..... and rgii will confirm this.....

 

[erpkid]

I daresay it's a risk he's going to take. I've a nasty feeling what I'm going to get told!

Problem is that once you sign you are responsible for things you had no control over and certainly cannot guarantee short of taking the kit out and starting over. I do not envy your position and hope they do not blackmail you. Had something similar when I was a debt collector....seemed perfectly reasonable until the customer started to dig for proof.......but nothing I did then could kill people. Hope it works out

 

[Dotty]

Not sure I can be arsed to trawl though back copies of the GSR mag tbh.

A saving grace I guess is that we don't have to notify works over here as of yet but I will be informing him that Gas Safe have deemed it illegal and that it could jeopardise our membership.

Not only that but I would want it in writing that I'm to go and commission the appliance and I WOULD not be taking any prisoners with it! I woud be going over it with the finest of combs!

 

[lame plumber]

There is an extant tb, that explains what you have to do to commision someone elses work, It does say you should avoid doing so but what to do if you have to. the best bit I remember is that you have to satisfy yourself thall all joints are ok using tightness test combined with a visual inspection, which they say you may have to lift floors and expose runs in concrete to do so!! Bet your boss isnt so keen once you get the jack hammer out It goes into detail how once you sign it off you are responsible for everything thereafter, not the cowboy who did the job

 

[AWheating]

i would also note down the installers names on your paperwork/certs.

 

[Dotty]

There is an extant tb, that explains what you have to do to commision someone elses work, It does say you should avoid doing so but what to do if you have to. the best bit I remember is that you have to satisfy yourself thall all joints are ok using tightness test combined with a visual inspection, which they say you may have to lift floors and expose runs in concrete to do so!! Bet your boss isnt so keen once you get the jack hammer out It goes into detail how once you sign it off you are responsible for everything thereafter, not the cowboy who did the job

Had a feeling it might be!

i would also note down the installers names on your paperwork/certs.

If he pushes me down this road everything, and I mean everything, will be documented!