UK Plumbing & Heating Innovations Centre

[Rob Foster]

We are thinking about starting this up. I know quite a few fellas and you all may know others. The idea is to encourage, assist develop design and promote innovative plumbing and heating devices. It is a very loose idea at present
but I think it might work well..its intended to encourage small business and individuals tomhaveca go with any ideas they might want to have a go with
Rob Foster ...centralheatking I will leave this open for a few days to
ascertain its potential, all comments welcome positive or not

 

[Sharp Point]

Are you Chinese owned?

 

[Rob Foster]

Are you Chinese owned?

no just a uk plumbing and heating design house that wishes to help others into commercial success on a business footing ..chking

 

[Riley]

Very interested Rob, I’m sure we’ve all had some golden ideas that don’t work for some reason. Usually financial

 

[Rob Foster]

Very interested Rob, I’m sure we’ve all had some golden ideas that don’t work for some reason. Usually financial

thats exactly what I wish to,help others with..its a nightmare inventing and worse than the lottery financing an idea....I know some of the traps
and thought a place to make this smoother might work
centralheatking

 

[gingalig]

Interested, when you have more info keep us posted, Cheers.

 

[Welder]

I'll email you Rob. Know others who may also be interested. D

 

[Rob Foster]

I'll email you Rob. Know others who may also be interested. D

great , I have a general direction with this but no specific pro forma, in fact it will be what what everybody and I
decide ...if there is enough traction then I will get things organised....Rob Foster. centralheatking

 

[Pickwickpick]

Sounds like a really good idea, especially if you combined it with a private/members only forum or a mailing list to get over any issues of geographical access.

 

[Rob Foster]

Sounds like a really good idea, especially if you combined it with a private/members only forum or a mailing list to get over any issues of geographical access.

it will be all inclusive however as I know about patent law we will have to be carefull about specific info in the public domain...all ideas on how it might work are welcome
Rob Foster ...centralheatking

 

[Pickwickpick]

it will be all inclusive however as I know about patent law we will have to be carefull about specific info in the public domain...all ideas on how it might work are welcome
Rob Foster ...centralheatking

Yes it definitely shouldn't be publicly accessible, I was thinking a private message board whereby people who have used the innovation centre are given personalised login details, that way you can carry on discussions, ideas, plans... remotely but you will a) have a face to the username b) only users of the centre would be able to view what is posted, kindof like a virtual private members club.

 

[Rob Foster]

Yes it definitely shouldn't be publicly accessible, I was thinking a private message board whereby people who have used the innovation centre are given personalised login details, that way you can carry on discussions, ideas, plans... remotely but you will a) have a face to the username b) only users of the centre would be able to view what is posted, kindof like a virtual private members club.

Initially I was going to give and invite general advice from all. Act as a forum to exchange general info and non specific experience. If UKPF wants to host this ..why not ? UK Plumbing & Heating Innovations Forum..
there has been enough intrest from moderators and older hands to make this work. Then when dealing with specific ideas we MUST be very private ...I will ask a patent attorney to explain quite why if you all like
Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[Welder]

Obviously I have a little understanding of patents now we have (EDIT - applied for) them in so many places.

NO discussion could go on around detail of any proposal without a form of either NDA or without having already applied for patents. To do so runs a very real risk of 'prior art' which then kills your idea stone dead IF it is potentially patentable.

Personally, I feel 'membership' should be restricted AND, all participants (including mods and site admins) would need to physically sign an NDA in order to protect ideas and the people with them.

If I'm being honest, I'd never discuss anything other than wide concepts here as the recent events have vividly demonstrated that public forums such as these are vulnerable. That's no criticism of it whatsoever BTW. If you wish to open a public forum then you cannot have a secure forum; they are, by necessity, two sides of the same coin.

David

EDIT: It is illegal (criminal offence) to 'claim' patents when they are not formally granted.

 

[Welder]

Yes it definitely shouldn't be publicly accessible, I was thinking a private message board whereby people who have used the innovation centre are given personalised login details, that way you can carry on discussions, ideas, plans... remotely but you will a) have a face to the username b) only users of the centre would be able to view what is posted, kindof like a virtual private members club.

Thing is PWP, the power of such a gathering is the literal 'sanity check' that those who do the job day in day out can bring to the millions of ideas we all have on a daily basis. One of the most important adages of inventing is 'Fail Early'. What that means is do not pursue something not worth pursuing. Fail early to limit what you spend to find out it simply isn't going to be viable.

Viable, sustainable & scaleable are three other pillars to build upon. For something to fly it must be all three otherwise no one is going to invest because they'll never get any return upon that investment.

 

[Rob Foster]

Thing is PWP, the power of such a gathering is the literal 'sanity check' those who do the job day in day out can bring to the millions of ideas we all have on a daily basis. One of the most important adages of inventing is 'Fail Early'. What that means is do not pursue something not worth pursuing. Fail early to limit what you spend to find out it simply isn't going to be viable.

Viable, sustainable & scaleable are three other pillars to build upon. For something to fly it must be all three otherwise no one is going to invest because they'll never get any return upon that investment.

Your concept of a sanity check is fundamental, many people try to solve a problem that does not need solving or one that nobody will purchase, centralheatking

 

[Welder]

Your concept of a sanity check is fundamental, many people try to solve a problem that does not need solving or one that nobody will purchase, centralheatking

Amen Bro...

 

[Rob Foster]

Amen Bro...

however there is nothing stopping the naive trying and achieving a patent for something that neither works or anybody wants. My patent attourney costs £350.00 per hour and my latest patent cost over £48,000 ...so beware of gambling ...it can cost a house
I was going to present these points to UKPF forum group
...Rob Foster ...centalheatking

 

[Rob Foster]

We are trying to build up a picture for UKPHIC ....so...
DO NOT tell anything about your idea/s but just post a reply if you have or do have an idea
Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[centralheatking]

Your concept of a sanity check is fundamental, many people try to solve a problem that does not need solving or one that nobody will purchase, centralheatking

Uk Plumbing & Heating Innovation Centre offers a free tried and tested None Disclosure Agreement...NDA...to any who want one
just Insert your name etc. and the recipients details. email
[email protected]

 

[Alan Wright]

If you have a new product you need to ask yourself:-

Does it solve a problem 'better' than other solutions?
Is it a problem worth solving?
Can I show 'inventive step' so I can protect my idea?
Can I commercialise it so at least if I cannot protect it I am first to market?

I have a proven record as an inventor, taking a plumbing product from concept, to Grant Of Patent, and full commercialisation.

I am happy to support/join UKPHIC.

 

[centralheatking]

Alan is one of the potential mentors I had in mind, I have not asked him yet but he is very experienced in this area like myself.
centralheatking
Any one interested can reply to [email protected]
I will reply directly. DO NOT SEND ANY DETAILS OF YOUR DESIGN OR PROJECT...just a contact email and name please.
Robert Foster aka centralheatking