Unvented system noise on running taps

[OllyC]

Hi,

I have had a new unvented system installed. When the hot water has been heating up for some time and I turn on the taps or the shower I get a loud noise lasting a few seconds from the cupboard where the tank is. If I turn the taps off again soon afterwards I get a similar noise. This only happens when you run the taps for the first time after the water has heated up.

Any advice on what could be causing the problem would be much appreciated.

Here is a link to a video I took showing the problem. At the start is when I turned the water on and then you hear it again when i turned it off.

iCloud

If that link doesnt work try this one:
IMG_4848.MOV

 

[townfanjon]

These posts are a bit tricky , I can tell you what to try but we have to obey forum rules , you need to be G3 registered to work on these cylinders .
If I tell you what to do and you do it , we are breaking the rules . @ShaunCorbs , what do you think ?

 

[OllyC]

These posts are a bit tricky , I can tell you what to try but we have to obey forum rules , you need to be G3 registered to work on these cylinders .
If I tell you what to do and you do it , we are breaking the rules . @ShaunCorbs , what do you think ?

Dont worry there is no way I'm going to do anything to it myself! My plumber has not been able to solve the problem and I'm just after some pointers before I go and get a second opinion.

 

[Chuck]

In my opinion, any plumber who leaves pipes floating in mid-air like that is either not qualified or needs retraining.

You need to get a reputable G3 installer in to review the installation. At the very least they will need to install some pipe supports and clips that the first guy forgot about and make sure that the sytem is correctly commissioned. Don't leave it too long before getting it fixed as that amount of movement can cause joints to leak or fail and high pressure systems cause a lot of mess and damage when that happens.

Take some photographs and get a written estimate / quote from your new plumber stating what needs doing. You can use these as evidence to reclaim the cost from the first plumber and report him to whichever 'competent persons' scheme he claims to be a member of.

 

[Scott_D]

Any more pictures of the rest of the setup?

 

[Welder]

Cant see, so can't comment.

Now seen. IMO fixing that pipework properly would see most of that disappear.

 

[Riley]

It’s not great. Way too much movement.

 

[chris watkins]

In correct vessel charge + pipes not clipped as said before.

If you want to made a claim against installer you will need to give them the opportunity to correct it first.

 

[OllyC]

Thanks everyone for you comments. I have checked to see if I have the manuals for the boiler and cylinder with the completed commissioning sheets and I don't. I have asked the plumber to provide them which he says he will do this evening.

I checked and the plumber is gas safe registered. It seems he is but not for unvented systems. He has provided the gas inspection record. It does not list the cylinder but I am not sure if it needs to.

Is there a way to verify if he is G3 registered other than with Gas Safe?

He is a subcontractor of my builder and I am witholding payment pending the resolution of this problem.

 

[OllyC]

Any more pictures of the rest of the setup?

I have added some more pictures in the original post. Thanks

 

[OllyC]

Any more pictures of the rest of the setup?

I will add some more pictures. Thanks for posting

 

[OllyC]

Some more pictures

 

[Riley]

Seen worse installs. Bit overkill to insulate the D1 &D2

 

[Jones82]

Sometimes a cheap tap can be the culprit, does it do it on every tap in the house?

 

[OllyC]

Sometimes a cheap tap can be the culprit, does it do it on every tap in the house?

Yes it does. The fittings are mostly from Crosswater which I think is a reasonably quality brand.

 

[townfanjon]

Yes it does. The fittings are mostly from Crosswater which I think is a reasonably quality brand.

No sorry they are not. Just very average.
Where are you? somebody on here could help

 

[Riley]

I would say installed by someone installing to the instructions with no common sense. Would say has definitely not had G3 training

 

[OllyC]

My plumber thinks that the big valve on the right (no idea what to call it) may be faulty and plans to replace it. I’m very sceptical.

 

[OllyC]

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In correct vessel charge + pipes not clipped as said before.

If you want to made a claim against installer you will need to give them the opportunity to correct it first.

Thanks Chris. Says he has checked the pressure in the expansion vessel.

 

[townfanjon]

My plumber thinks that the big valve on the right (no idea what to call it) may be faulty and plans to replace it. I’m very sceptical.

Nope hes waisting his time

 

[Welder]

Where does the TPRV enter the D1? I cant see that in these. I can see the PRV into the tundish.

Riley I'd suggest that was done cos they not G3...

Nope hes waisting his time

Simply demonstrates a lack of understanding of G3...

 

[OllyC]

No sorry they are not. Just very average.
Where are you? somebody on here could help

Where does the TPRV enter the D1? I cant see that in these. I can see the PRV into the tundish.

Riley I'd suggest that was done cos they not G3...


Simply demonstrates a lack of understanding of G3...

Does this show what you are looking for?

 

[OllyC]

Thanks everyone for your posts. It’s given me a lot to think about.

I clearly need to find out if the plumber is appropriately qualified. I guess the only way of being absolutely sure about this is to ask him for evidence.

If it turns out he doesn’t have G3 then my builder is not going to get final payment until he sorts it and he’s going to have to do some crawling to avoid being reported to someone.

If he does have G3 then then I am back where I started. I will insist the builder fixes it before I pay up the final balance and suggest to him that he might want to get another plumber to look at it.

Any other ideas very welcome.

 

[Riley]

Is that a gledhill tprv??

 

[Riley]

Anybody qualified will not mind showing credentials don’t be afraid to ask