Using a sub for gas work

[StuartD]

Hi guys, I'm waiting to get on an ACS course to get myself Gas Safe Registered, in the mean time can I use a subbie who is GSR to do gas work for me or do I need to turn down any jobs that involve gas?

Thanks,

Stuart

 

[lame plumber]

as long as you arent touching the boiler or gas not an issue, but then when he signs it all off your rad pipe work is his responsibility under the warranty so not a lot of people are keen to get involved normally. So if you understand his insurance is covering everything if it goes wrong and he is happy then not an issue, but in the real world no body wants to just let the gsr do everything as they lose to much profit, then it all gets sticky. Me I wont go near other peeps work, its all too much hassle

 

[leethegasman]

Can not see why not you are just employing some one to carry out gas work for you.If there is a reason why you can not employ some one to carry out gas work for you I'm sure some one on here Will let you know you could always ask gas safe.

 

[leethegasman]

For example you have more work than manpower so you decide to sub a job out and you employ a sparky Bricky and a gas man.you have employed the correct trades for this work as for who takes responsibility as lame says I'm not sure but if there was a problem in the future I would have assumed it would fall at your feet and as long as you employed the relevant trade to carry out any work should there be any problems,also most boilers have manufactures warrantees,

 

[lame plumber]

so whats the rules on employee insurance with subbies working for you on your site, when they get hurt?

 

[kris]

Of course its ok thats the same as me doin sub work for a construction company, as long as im registered and all my liability etc is in order then everything is plain sailing, and as long as you take his tax off as its your responsability if hes sub for you ,

 

[leethegasman]

Not a clue lame i don't employ subbies to do any plumbing or heating work for me so never needed to find out.I have however provided my services to a national plumbing company who seamed to be on the ball regarding paper work and I had to supply them with my public liability insurance and employee liability insurance.so I can only assume when you employ a subbie you ask for a copy of there insurance.
But like I say not had to find out but would be nice to know the answer.(someone will know later)

 

[kris]

I have all my own customers but i get a massive amount of work from a company called @home construction , they have joiners brickies plasterers and labourers , they used to have a plumber all of which are on books and over a year ago the plumber went offshore, they contacted me and thats over a year ive been doing all there work, they used to have to pay the registration fee and keep there guys tickets up to date and i would say they are better off as all the weeks im not working for them it doesnt cost, but i give them good prices as its a too much work to loose, as theyre always out the door with work , i get a monthly cis statement with all my tax stuff, theyre standard of finish is well known in our area for being very high,

 

[Ermintrude]

Subby a will try and steal all your anual services repair and installs if your not carful. Spot checks

 

[StuartD]

Thanks to everyone for the help. The subbie I'll use is my brother in law so I think i can trust him. Glad to know that I don't have to turn away work.

Stuart

 

[Steve ski]

Its an interesting question i think, Im not gsr but have pondered this before, can you hang the boiler and connect up the wetside etc, leaving the customer to employ a gsr directly to connect gas, flue and commission the boiler, surely then the gsr has no comeback, if there is a leak or issue on the wet side ??? its all very confusing people !

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Sub the work and work along with the GSR and learn from it !

 

[Millsy 82]

I'm no expert on this but from speaking to my insurance company when setting up my insurance this is what I got.

There are 2 different types of subby. 1 Bonafide 2 Labour only. Which one you get depends on where the liability lies.

If you do a full central heating system this is how I think it works.

If you are doing all the wet and have somebody else installs the boiler and gas only (not supply) then they will probably only cover installation faults on the boiler alone if you are lucky more than likely it will come back on you as it is your job. If they supply and fit the boiler they cover warranty issues on it but any other leaks/faults on the rest of the system would be down to you.

You need to speak to your insurance as you may not be covered for certain types of subby. (I know I'm covered for bonafide subbys but not labour only) You also need to let them know that your company will be working on gas. (Unless you are using bonafide I believe). You will need copies of any qualifications and a copy of gas safe certificate, You may also need a copy of their insurance and make sure it is up to date and if you use them for a long period of time make sure it is still renewed.

 

[kirkgas]

Steve ski, you need to be GSR to fit the boiler on the wall and fit the flue, I know plenty who fit the boiler and get the gas connected but technically it's wrong

 

[Steve ski]

thanx kirkgas Simple question, simple answer sorted ( i never suggested fitting the flue only the boiler ), just out of interest why ?

 

[SafeGasInstall]

When you do your ACS you will realise

 

[kirkgas]

thanx kirkgas Simple question, simple answer sorted ( i never suggested fitting the flue only the boiler ), just out of interest why ?

If you fit the boiler to the wall and do the flow and return, I then turn up do the gas and flue and test it then leave it working, then a week later it falls off the wall and explodes killing everyone (did I mention I'm a trainer and often quote worse case scenario haha) I will get the blame because you fitted 1" screws into the rawlplugs, because I've signed the job off, however in reality a two man team fitting a system then one of them fits the boiler and it often isn't the gas guy as the plumber fits and does the wet side, as long as the gas guy trusts the plumber then it's up to them, same as the plumber and gas guy starting the pipe runs at either end, you so the flow, return, hot, cold and gas, I do the same from the other end and we connect them together, if I trust you to solder something I'm putting my name to it's wrong but it happens every day, it's a massive difference from guys who sign off whole jobs done by non gas plumbers, it's crazy to take such responsibility

 

[Ermintrude]

Agree with above. After I trust apprentices I fit boiler and they pipe up. They don't get to touch flue until worked with them for a year or two every day .

But I'm not afraid to tell them it's a freakin mess take it off and do again.

Don't fall into ah be alright just do it better next time. Ne freakin way! And if they start telling you joe bloggs says it's ok; remove you 600mm level from wherever you store it and cave their face in. Literally it's the right way or the hospital.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Agree with above. After I trust apprentices I fit boiler and they pipe up. They don't get to touch flue until worked with them for a year or two every day .

But I'm not afraid to tell them it's a freakin mess take it off and do again.

Don't fall into ah be alright just do it better next time. Ne freakin way! And if they start telling you joe bloggs says it's ok; remove you 600mm level from wherever you store it and cave their face in. Literally it's the right way or the hospital.

Exactly my attitude , only difference is I is putting boiler frame and flue and test gas my self first

 

[Ermintrude]

I leave them to do TT before we cap off ecv, if there is any thing more than 0.25 they know to look for it. And save results. I'm like an orang-utan on a hot floor with a melting ice cream when they don't. I don't like shouting and being a dick I'm actually subtle but one lad said he thought I was unhinged!

 

[lame plumber]

I leave them to do TT before we cap off ecv, if there is any thing more than 0.25 they know to look for it. And save results. I'm like an orang-utan on a hot floor with a melting ice cream when they don't. I don't like shouting and being a dick I'm actually subtle but one lad said he thought I was unhinged!

and you got your 6 foot level out the van for him

 

[Ermintrude]

Na the mains/hydrant key!

 

[Steve ski]

You gsr's are all lovely guys and i love you all ! bright intelligent and forthcoming, I have no interest in gas fitting at all, I enjoy the wet stuff and listen to gsr's and sparks loving their regs, lighten up boys lifes to short stick to what you know not the walls ????

 

[Ermintrude]

Water regs? No? Just me then?

 

[Steve ski]

happy saturday lads! yes i stick to water regs just lightening the tone lads!! on a more serious note is a non gsr breaking the rules draining down a c/h system to fit a new rad or cylinder etc, as this would be considered work involving the boiler?????