VAILLANT ecotec plus 831 wiring controls

[garnhamr]

Hi, wired up one of these today, got given a internal plug in programmer and a danfoss wireless room stat.
I could not get it to work so i wired in an external programmer instead.
am i being dense?
i plugged in the programmer, took out the 24v link and then wired the roomstat with a permanent live because there is no 240v live sent from the bolier only the RT switch live return. now when the programmer is during an off time, if the roomstat is on the heating still comes on which obviously it shouldn't because of the programmer being off.

anyone know what i'm doing wrong?

 

[stevetheplumber]

i dont think you remve any links on these?

 

[garnhamr]

because i'ts using a 240v roomstat i have to remove the 24v link no?

have to say, i didn't try it with the link in place. i'm at home now so can't try :/

hating these vaillant install/user manuals.
'the concept of programmes'
yes thanks vaillant i am aware of the concept, just tell me how to bloody set it.

 

[Ermintrude]

Are you qualified gas installer? U have removed the boiler combustion chamber door. This is a topic for the gas engineers sanctum - to avoid diy and other less scrupulous persons trawling tinternet and endangering lives!

 

[garnhamr]

i'm a sprky

 

[Ermintrude]

Oh dear! Your now an illegal gas installer too!

Get a gas safe engineer to sort it for u. You arnt allowed to remove that cover it forms an extremely important seal on boiler

 

[SimonG]

My condolences

Couldnt resist

 

[tamz]

They have given you the wrong plug in control. You want a (plug in) programmable roomstat depending what make they use there are a few different ones.

 

[tamz]

Apparently he is but here we go again.
Most "fitters" will stick it on a plug to fire it upp and the spark will apear when he gets there.
There is a TB about this (can't remember the number, look it up).
Its time they sorted things out properly on this as your average gas guy (in Englandshire) isn't even qualified to plug it in :smile:

 

[garnhamr]

good thing there was a heating engineer to supervise.
Anyway, that is the conclusion i came to... it just wont work but on the vaillant website it shows a vaillant 240v roomstat that is comaptibel with the timeclock that i used 'timeclodck 160'.
i wish i had of tried it with the 24v link in and i wish vaillant could use proper english in their instructions

 

[Ermintrude]

Instructions are awful

 

[garnhamr]

party function...what!?

 

[stevetheplumber]

vailants used to have the best literature now its pants when i spoke to a tech guy recently he said its all produced in germany now

 

[tamz]

Instructions are awful

Their controls are worse!

 

[tamz]

party function...what!?

Dead handy.
If you pull a bird you can keep the heating on with one press of a button until she gets undressed :smile:

 

[garnhamr]

yeah i remember wiring them up about 5 years ago and found them to be really installer friendly from a sparks point of view, now i just feel like an idiot asking the customer to help me with it lol

 

[garnhamr]

Dead handy.
If you pull a bird you can keep the heating on with one press of a button until she gets undressed :smile:

ahhh, i'll phone the customer about this tomorrow

 

[Ollieg]

If you use 240v you need to remove 24v link. Why not wire the roomstat to 24v?
It does sound like you may have wrong plug in timer.

 

[garnhamr]

seems i'm not the only one who struggles with vaillant so no need to go back to high school or get counselling

yeah Ollieg, thats what i understand, if using 240v, remove the 24v link but why on the vaillant website does it show a 240v stat being compatible with the timeclock 160 which i used, it's the only thing i didn't try (with the link in) so maybe it would work although i can't see how.

 

[Ollieg]

I bet the 160 is for use with the ebus roomstat.
I have a guide in the van but dont remember seeing 160 on it.

 

[Ollieg]

sorry confusing myself. vrt 15 240v should work with ts 160.

vrt 50 ebus. should work with ts 150

 

[Ollieg]

Hope this helps.

 

[Ollieg]

hope this may help

 

[garnhamr]

thanks ollieg saved that pic for future reference. Although i can't get back to the place and try it i think i've figured it out in that the wireless roomstat i used is for 10v-240v so i should have used the 24v out/return from boiler. DOH!