what is this fitting

[ambrosia]

right side is lead, left is copper

no lead lock so what type od fitting have they used and how do you do it

it was covered in paint and i didnt want to scratch the paint away to investigate further as it looked old and fragile, but its got my curiosity

 

[gasmanrob]

Just copper bossed into lead I'd say

 

[snowhead]

That's not an approved fitting.

As above just copper into lead and not even a wiped joint.
It May be carefully soldered together.

It's Gas I assume?

 

[drip-dry]

its a lazy man's cup joint,copper pipe is tinned and inner lead pip cleaned and soldered together.does the job though...many said the full wiped joint was over the top ,especially on low pressure pipework

 

[ambrosia]

nah just feeds a toilet cistern

so you reckon they just forced the copper pipe into it and added solder

i almost never have to work on lead and wouldnt have a clue

 

[Best]

A proper wiped joint between a piece of lead pipe & copper pipe, would have needed the lead flared out, scraped to shiney clean lead outside & inside first. Then the copper pipe tinned with proper lead solder & pushed into the lead pipe. Then the joint could be lead soldered to do a wiped joint, - or for anyone who would find that too hard, then just lead solder filled heavily at end & roughly wiped which I know as a cupped joint.
Tallow was used for "flux" and a piece of moleskin to wipe or pat the lead into shape, depending on your ability.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

I only done sumfink like that once, most surprised when it held :lol:

 

[Ray Stafford]

Its a Q&D joint.

Quick and Dirty. How many decades do you reckon that "bodge" has held up for?

 

[dancinplumba]

Done loads in my time, if it works after all I'm a plumber an PROUD

 

[Chalked]

Its a Q&D joint.

Quick and Dirty. How many decades do you reckon that "bodge" has held up for?

not a bodge in the day. Just the way it was done then

 

[drip-dry]

Its a Q&D joint.

Quick and Dirty. How many decades do you reckon that "bodge" has held up for?

Think I did that one in 1952..It was a saturday afternoon, if I remember correctly...just dropped off a round head cast iron bath to a flat on the fourth floor...dragged 18 stone of 1/2lead pipe to the flat below...ran 30 ft of 4'' soil cast up the outside of the building and threaded 14 steel pipe ends, ready for connection up the 1/4 ton column rad on the mod morning......give us some slack!!!!

 

[dancinplumba]

Think I did that one in 1952..It was a saturday afternoon, if I remember correctly...just dropped off a round head cast iron bath to a flat on the fourth floor...dragged 18 stone of 1/2lead pipe to the flat below...ran 30 ft of 4'' soil cast up the outside of the building and threaded 14 steel pipe ends, ready for connection up the 1/4 ton column rad on the mod morning......give us some slack!!!!

Easy life respect

 

[stevetheplumber]

Think I did that one in 1952..It was a saturday afternoon, if I remember correctly...just dropped off a round head cast iron bath to a flat on the fourth floor...dragged 18 stone of 1/2lead pipe to the flat below...ran 30 ft of 4'' soil cast up the outside of the building and threaded 14 steel pipe ends, ready for connection up the 1/4 ton column rad on the mod morning......give us some slack!!!!

easy to forget how heavy plumbing used to be most of the boys on here couldnt fit a netaheat on their own mind you i doubt if i could now

 

[Ray Stafford]

easy to forget how heavy plumbing used to be most of the boys on here couldnt fit a netaheat on their own mind you i doubt if i could now

Early on in my career, I was unloading a lorry of Netaheats by hand with my mentor, John.

"You take the 3 pallets on the right" he said, "and I'll do the three on the left"

30 minutes later, I'm sweating like a navvy, and John is as fresh as a daisy, despite being at least half a pallet ahead of me.

It was only later that I realised that Netaheats came in two nearly identical boxes. One contained about 5 kgs of mild steel casing. The other contained the 50 kg cast iron heat-ex.

 

[keltoyboy]

easy to forget how heavy plumbing used to be most of the boys on here couldnt fit a netaheat on their own mind you i doubt if i could now

even taking them off a wall when inside a cupboard can be a challenge..... serious back breakers..... as for that joint its an early push fit!!!!

 

[kris]

Last time I had to solder a joint of lead I was using bars of solders and a big orange gas bottle with a hose that could wrap round a van it was so long . Ah the good old days

 

[basildog]

Last time I had to solder a joint of lead I was using bars of solders and a big orange gas bottle with a hose that could wrap round a van it was so long . Ah the good old days

A bit like the days when a tradesmen could be trusted to be what he said he was ?
No companies pretending to be on the side of safety when all they care about is the bottom line just like all businesses really ?
Maybe one day people will be brave enough to stand up and say hey hang on a minute why are we doing this and paying you for it ?

 

[AWheating]

Think I did that one in 1952..It was a saturday afternoon, if I remember correctly...just dropped off a round head cast iron bath to a flat on the fourth floor...dragged 18 stone of 1/2lead pipe to the flat below...ran 30 ft of 4'' soil cast up the outside of the building and threaded 14 steel pipe ends, ready for connection up the 1/4 ton column rad on the mod morning......give us some slack!!!!

What did you do after breakfast?

 

[jtsplumbing]

Done loads like this in the past, if done properly will last for years ! still have some Mole skin kicking around in the shed & Stick solder

 

[townfanjon]

I thought it was an early 'push fit '

 

[jtsplumbing]

I thought it was an early 'push fit '

No, will last years longer, and worth more in the scrap yard, a little to technical for all the children on here

 

[basildog]

I still do a bit of cast iron work ! Still use the tarred rope etc. Make my own with bitumen sometimes !
Must admit I do cheat now and instead of lead wool or pouring lead tend to use sticks like sh*t as seems easier !
Did have a nice caulking iron but got lost somewhere .

 

[jtsplumbing]

I still do a bit of cast iron work ! Still use the tarred rope etc. Make my own with bitumen sometimes !
Must admit I do cheat now and instead of lead wool or pouring lead tend to use sticks like sh*t as seems easier !
Did have a nice caulking iron but got lost somewhere .

Got a couple of irons somewhere, thin one for getting the rope in and the stubby one for the lead , did a lot of spun cast around Plymouth area years back,

 

[Mike Jackson]

I've got some caulking irons hiding in the garage somewhere. Also got the rope thingy that allows you to pour a horizontal joint.