who can legally move gas meter supplies ?

[on31ll]

ok just a question out of intrest really was reading one of the product catlogues today while sat waiting in the van i think it was BES and flicking through noticed that they sell all the gas mdpe products fittings etc and my question is who can move the meters ? i was under the knowledge that you had to pay an outragous amount to british gas or transco ? or is this like the water connesctions where with a special ticket you can do it yourself ?

many thanks

 

[desrob]

i can...no bg and i've no special ticket.

 

[on31ll]

question was legally though ? can you now ?

 

[desrob]

sorry re read your question do you mean move to a differant location.

 

[on31ll]

yes i no gsr people can replca a meter etc just wonderin who actually moves the supply before the meter ?

 

[desrob]

sorry mate and not me in answer to your question,i think your right in you summing up.

 

[on31ll]

was wondering why they sold the stuff if only big companies like transco can use them surly only for forigner market !

 

[Phoenix Heating]

Get a few places wher they fit the meter in a brick box or half sunken box at front of property then run the mdpe to the property to another wall box as the drive is so long that the gas company now only will go 15m onto property.

 

[Bernie2]

Err!

Might be for large private developments. Its where all the service's are laid by private companies up to the site boundaries before Transco take over. A bit like water main services on private developments. Everything inside the development boundary is the customers. It may be hundreds of houses which then have the gas services laid in the same way Transco would. Its quite common.

 

[JCplumb]

Domesticcally you are allowed to buy your own meter and have it installed by a gsr. You then become the meter operator and have to give certain details to Transco and the gas supplier when requested.
Not sure if a special ticket is needed, but remember this from my days working for eon in the metering department.

 

[PETE 123]

Mdpe for outlet buried to location

 

[bennygas]

i think the mdpe could be on bes for all kinds of reasons - e.g. putting gas out to an outbuiding etc or lpg bulk tank supplies etc. as to actually moving/relocating a meter (i'm assuming we're talking about a primary meter here), section 13 of bs6400 gives a bit of guidance.

Basically I think it's saying that the meter owner and the gas supplier need to be involved in approving the work, and depending upon their own policies I believe they would then say who could carry out the work and how it would need to be done (some layout requirements are shown in this BS too). it does say about moving the meter whilst leaving the regulator in the same place etc, and gives guidance on this, but I think either way, it's likely to be one of those jobs where to avoid any comebacks, it's going to involve a call to the gas supplier/MAM etc to see how the ground lies with their stuff. i'd be really surprised if they were ok with people altering services etc - i could be wrong of course.:dunce:

 

[SimonJohns]

Besjust sell that stuff because you can legally use it

Say you want to run a gas supply from your house to garage. Use mdpe underground

You have a flat in garage for a sub let, install a meter and charge them for their gas

As for primary meters. You have to approved and allowed by the gas board

 

[Dannypipe]

You need the ticket to fit and adjust meters. Judging by some of the meters I've seen fitted, it can't be that hard to attain!!

 

[Syty]

I have MET 2, and I know I can install, exchange, commission domestic gas meters, but I am not allowed do do anything upstream of ECV

 

[SimonJohns]

Syty, do you not have to have the permission of the gas board before you can do any of that work?

 

[Syty]

If you plan to move one than yes, you need permission.

 

[petfenn]

To alter or move a gas service supply you need to have a GD1 main layer and service ticket.I worked with national grid for 8 years as an ESE and any supply attached to national grid pipework ( 90% is owned by national grid) you can only go through them to resite service,sorry but they have you over a barrel on this one

 

[on31ll]

Can i ask what ESE means ? Sorry ! Am i correct in guessing like a tender ?

 

[petfenn]

Can i ask what ESE means ? Sorry ! Am i correct in guessing like a tender ?

No ESE Emergency Service Engineer, I was on contract with National Grid to do emergency, and work upstream of the meter

 

[on31ll]

ahh ok ! learn somthing new everyday ! thanks

 

[anothergit]

BES sell the parts as they can be used to run underground outlets by a certified engineer.

The primary meter can only be moved by a qualified person who is certified/liscensed by the HSE this is usually the local gas emergency service providers (ESP) e.g National Grid Gas, Southern Gas Networks etc.

There are some 3rd party companies who are licsensed to carry out this work which they ususally do on iPGT (independent gas transportion) site's. This is a site where the mains gas and service pipes are owned by a different company to the local ESP. You would need to contact the ESP to move the meter or find out an approved contractor.

It may look simple but I've seen people use the wrong size fittings between metric and imperial PE and cut into steel only to find it's been sleeved with plastic. Then they panic and call the ESP or are too stupid and wrap and leave a leak and fill a house with gas, NOT GOOD!! Hope that helps with your query.

 

[stokecity]

as a gsr engineer you are legally qualified to remove existing meter and put same meter back on in same place, ( so you can work on gas pipe )
legally you cannot replace existing meter for a new one in the same location or move the meter

 

[anothergit]

Sorry I wasn't clear with the way I worded my response, as a gsr engineer with MET1 you are qualified to take out and refit the meter. I should have said 'meter position' as in the gas service pipe that is fed from the gas main as the main query was about MDPE and who can legally move gas meters. Then it is a qualified person who is approved by the HSE, most of who work for the ESP or one of their contractors, and not a gsr engineer. Hope that's a little clearer.

 

[Meterman1]

To Alter the Inconing Service Pipe a GIRS Registered UIP can undertake this work, See lloyds Registration Website this Allow the GIRS -UIP to Inform the DNO /Transporter = NGT,WalesWest,Northern Gas Networks Scotia Networks & Southern Gas Networks.Ten+ Years ago OFGEM made Transco /-now NGT was made to sell off the 5 LDZ Networks as above, ( NGT Kept the Most Densley Populated LDZ's -Nort West,West Mids East Mids East Anglia North London as these made more profit ) Due to the Monopoly Commission. Also This Allowed New Compatition in Connections Allowing IGT -to offer connection & metering services.However you will find that the gas shippers rent the meter from a MaM or Mop. to which the MaMs & MoPs undertake the metering siteworks Inn house Engineers (or to ever provides the biggest brown envolope-so im informed) Metering Service Companies ,who have to be a Ofgem OAMI Registered Company ( Ofgem Approved Meter Installer ) CoP1a= Domestic Metering CoP1b=Non-Domestic Metering- CoP1c Industrial Metering .+ Gas Safe Registered --
If a GSR Met1,Qualified engineer needed a Meter Re-Site they would need to have the MaM/MoP writtern permission before you can Legally touch their Meter Asset & a GSR Eng. will need a OAMI registered company to Inspect the works on behalf of the MaM/MoP-This will just cost more dollars this way ,So as most MaMs /MoPs are also OAMI Registered to.....

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