Working on site whats required ??

[jtsplumbing]

Hi Guys, one for you Legal Eagles about what should be provided on site work ? Started a sub-contract job in cornwall last week, turned up on site, No induction from site manager, No WC or washing facilities , No First Aid box or first aid person, no were to sit for break, about 30 men on site. we were told because we are working in occupied houses and are sub contractors they DO-NOT have to provide anything, is this correct ??

 

[SimonG]

Sounds a bit naughty to me, but I don't do site work.

 

[lame plumber]

Its Cornwall, get realistic and if all the houses are occupied where are they going to pop a portaloo? But I would define a site as somewhere with half built empty houses tbh, if someone is in it it isnt a site is it.

 

[Scott_D]

Is there a main builder/site management?

 

[jtsplumbing]

Is there a main builder/site management?

Yes well known national Co, doing referbs on council properties, other contractors putting in new gas supplies, chap on site who claims to be site manager, done same sort of work in Plymouth but all facilities provided, thought main contractor had to provide certin items , or is it a cop out if they use sub-contractors ??

 

[Rickster123]

Hi Guys, one for you Legal Eagles about what should be provided on site work ? Started a sub-contract job in cornwall last week, turned up on site, No induction from site manager, No WC or washing facilities , No First Aid box or first aid person, no were to sit for break, about 30 men on site. we were told because we are working in occupied houses and are sub contractors they DO-NOT have to provide anything, is this correct ??

Id grab the work with both hands, as a contractor you should have a first aid box in the van and a large bucket and bog roll on standby!

 

[hammers4spanner]

Have to supply wash /toilet facilities by law , first aid as a subby you should have your own but if theres 30 guys then they should have some sort of eye wash bandages etc etc

 

[hammers4spanner]

who is the contractor???

 

[jtsplumbing]

Have to supply wash /toilet facilities by law , first aid as a subby you should have your own but if theres 30 guys then they should have some sort of eye wash bandages etc etc

Do have own first aid box in van ! but thought that due to number of men on site that other things have to be provided, and not all are working indoors, so what are they supposed to use ? even some tenants dont like you useing their washrooms.

 

[nicro3]

The main contractor should supply all you describe and more.

 

[hammers4spanner]

yes i do can buy them for a tenner from garage , they should tho really be providing a portacabin and portaloo as a main contractor along with site safety policy

 

[jtsplumbing]

yes i do can buy them for a tenner from garage , they should tho really be providing a portacabin and portaloo as a main contractor along with site safety policy

Well NOT providing anything ! not even given the induction talk

 

[AWheating]

it all depends on who is the duty holder of the job. So who holds the duty of care and legal responsibility.

the min would be a site induction, risk assessments/method statements, tool box talks, first aiders, asbestos reports for each proerty before any work is started and all tradesmen having access to the reports (its a legal requirement for a landlord or its nominated duty holder to inform workmen where asbestos is in its propertys). There should also be welfare facilities depending on the type of job it is like toilets,wash hand basins, means to heat water and food etc......

the landlord may be the duty holder, or he/she may contract the responsibility to the main contractor who could sub it out to other firms. Unless you have agreed this or your subbing to another subcontractor then assume its the main contractor or landlord.

 

[jtsplumbing]

it all depends on who is the duty holder of the job. So who holds the duty of care and legal responsibility.


the min would be a site induction, risk assessments/method statements, tool box talks, first aiders, asbestos reports for each proerty before any work is started and all tradesmen having access to the reports (its a legal requirement for a landlord or its nominated duty holder to inform workmen where asbestos is in its propertys). There should also be welfare facilities depending on the type of job it is like toilets,wash hand basins, means to heat water and food etc......

the landlord may be the duty holder, or he/she may contract the responsibility to the main contractor who could sub it out to other firms. Unless you have agreed this or your subbing to another subcontractor then assume its the main contractor or landlord.

None of the above , but they do get a Co in to drill holes in celings (Asbestos) But no other facilities, think this is due to them cost cutting due to underpriceing contract in the hope that they will get next one.

 

[jase158]

it all depends on who is the duty holder of the job. So who holds the duty of care and legal responsibility.

the min would be a site induction, risk assessments/method statements, tool box talks, first aiders, asbestos reports for each proerty before any work is started and all tradesmen having access to the reports (its a legal requirement for a landlord or its nominated duty holder to inform workmen where asbestos is in its propertys). There should also be welfare facilities depending on the type of job it is like toilets,wash hand basins, means to heat water and food etc......

the landlord may be the duty holder, or he/she may contract the responsibility to the main contractor who could sub it out to other firms. Unless you have agreed this or your subbing to another subcontractor then assume its the main contractor or landlord.

that would be nice!!!

toilet is in the houses that you are doing up, either old toilet or new,
risk assessments etc is done by employer: over 5 employees, but i believe there is something in the regs for sub-contractors too
not many places provide places to sit for dinner, either where your working or in van
I would concentrate less on the paperwork and more on earning good hard earned cash, very easy on site to sit moaning/ talking all day instead of getting the work done.

 

[AWheating]

the landlord or main contractor should have a health and safety officer who does weekly visits, if so put any questions you have to them. What you want to avoid is upsetting the person who pays your wage but your own safety concerns should be your first thought.

do they have a hot works permit to work system? and a fire watch check policy? it may invalidate any insurance if its not implemented as designed.

tread carefully.

 

[jtsplumbing]

the landlord or main contractor should have a health and safety officer who does weekly visits, if so put any questions you have to them. What you want to avoid is upsetting the person who pays your wage but your own safety concerns should be your first thought.

do they have a hot works permit to work system? and a fire watch check policy? it may invalidate any insurance if its not implemented as designed.

tread carefully.

You are told nothing ! Thats what i thought the site induction was all about : most councils seem very hot on H&S but this site seems not to follow the rules