Acs and gas safe

[kirkgas]

i understand what your saying but i did my nvq in a college and wasnt told i wont get my nvq unless an accesor comes to look at my work on 4 visits at a cost of £1000 because the college has no accesors so if you cant trust a college who can you trust.

how can they charge you £1k for 4 visits? where are you? i will come and assess you from Glasgow for that kind of cash

 

[philtheflush]

caerphilly enjoy the drive

 

[pipe puller]

its all about selling courses on false promises to keep training establishments making lots of money. im not at all bothered about postmen and truck drivers taking a tech certificate and trying to make a living out of tap washers and ball valves, but to send somebody out who has fiddled with a rig in a training centre a few times is rediculous. but its gone too far now, trying to tighten it up now would be like the government banning smoking and drinking. it makes alot of money and it makes my aprenticeship worth alot less than it should be.

 

[fuzzy]

its all about selling courses on false promises to keep training establishments making lots of money. im not at all bothered about postmen and truck drivers taking a tech certificate and trying to make a living out of tap washers and ball valves, but to send somebody out who has fiddled with a rig in a training centre a few times is rediculous. but its gone too far now, trying to tighten it up now would be like the government banning smoking and drinking. it makes alot of money and it makes my aprenticeship worth alot less than it should be.

i dont think its as bad as all that. the courses i am familier with are strict and conciencious. there may be some rogues but there always will be. the majority of colleges are very good, i have not had the same feedback from private centres though

ACs is strict, it has to be, the trade gets moaned at for being to restrictive and then some people say its too easy? human nature me thinks

colleges have alot right, with some exceptions

 

[pipe puller]

i think peoples heads have been filled with the thoughts that plumbers/heating engineers/gas fitters have been earning over inflated sums of money and they see it as an easy bandwagon to jump on.
i agree, colleges have to get it right and are really where all new learning should be done, i think privately owned training centres are too business orientated and its more about turnover than quality of applicants. to fail aplicants is loss of revenue.
i think if we went to a system whereby people could learn wherever they liked but had to pass assessment at nationally run test centres rather than be passed out by there training centre we would see a sharp decrease in newly registered.
the trade cant keep us all afloat, to many people jumping on an already full boat. but if i remeber rightly other trades have seen this in the past, wasnt there a plasterer shortage late 70's? brickies in the 80's i think etc etc.

 

[fuzzy]

has the messaage got out that theres not enough jobs for the plumbers who are qualified, never mind new ones!!!11 yet they still want to spend a fortune to get a qual that prob wont get them a job!!!defies logic

 

[Bernie2]

The problem is it will probably get a lot worse. The thing is the government may do nothing about it.

Over supply drives down prices and its a standing perception probably that Plumbers charge a fortune.

So to keep the public happy and the training providers in work they probably won't do much. Possibly say competition is good for you.

Anyway it seems the national minimum wage may be the rate for the job soon, sorry lads!

 

[Puddle]

The need for employment out weighs the need for reliability,unreliability provides much needed employment and helps our artificial GDP

Our economies are built on false industry and income

Bit heavy but have started so may as well finish

Wages in real terms in all sectors will fall over the next several years,not just in plumbing
The biggest expense in any industry is labour,in fact it can be argued,that it is the only real expense,if you want to cut costs start there,deflate employed work force,inflate self employed work force and deflate its income or inflate purchasable items and products around that sector ,this has the advantage of giving a false conception of stability
We are about to embark on the biggest theft of wealth from the general population ever seen

But mean while,get as much as possible in your back pocket


Our advantage, if we have one ,of being self employed, is our diversity and speed in which we can adapt and re train to meet the surrounding disadvantageous situations and that will be required



imho

 

[newbie1]

i have a mate in cornwall
ccn1/cen1/htr1/wat1/ckr1 and he is on 8.00gbp an hour thats allmost tesco shelf stacking money
the new guys must be desperate to keep paying vast sums for an industry thats struggling
the training companies should be made to immediatly comply with rules regarding employment and wages claims
they are still advertising 40000 a year after your course

 

[Bernie2]

Perhaps the old idea of companies doing the training was better?

At least they mostly only took on the number of new starts there was work for.

It was not fair of course to keep apprenticeships contained to the young people.

People today might want career change at a later age.

But it did regulate the number of new entries into the trade.

It makes me smile, when I think that at one time you virtually had to be sentenced by a court to be a Plumber/gas fitter, such an unwanted low grade job was it considered by what seems many people.

The saying in those days was "Get educated and work in an office, you don't want to be doing dirty manual jobs!"

But then somebody said "You can make a fortune as a Plumber!"

Wow! people fell out of everywhere trying to get into the game and have not stopped coming yet.

Oh! For the days of boswhite and hemp! Probably the smell stopped many wanting to become a Plumber.

 

[fuzzy]

think that idea is returning bernie2