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Yep, they're tank in tank, the surface area isn't massive though, it's only about 2.8sqm, which for a heat pump isn't large, so recovery wouldn't be that rapid.

You're thinking is similar to mine, reconfigure it as two Cylinders for the Hot Water and use 2 as buffers for the heating, with priority on the Hot Water and gas boiler to kick in if rapid recharge needed. - that way 600 litres should be enough - that's only 12 showers @ 5 mins @ 9 litres/ min, though if teeing off at 20 min intervals it gives nearly 60 mins for recovery b*gg*r*d if they do a shotgun though when all 72 players finish at the same time! No heat pump would ever keep up with that, hence the gas boiler.

Even so 600 litres buffer and 600 litres hot water is still on the small side - we put a minimum of 50 litres per KW buffers in for heating on Heat Pumps - so that would mean at least 2000 litres just for that, and for the hot water, if no rapid heat source backup, then 900-1200 litres.

Just done a quick calc: 9 showers running at 9 litres per min, raising temp for 10° (ambient) to 35° requires an input of 145kW! Which is why even a house combi running one shower need to be at least 16kW, with losses = 20kW

At the moment no RHI as it was installed and commissioned before A2W was permitted for Commercial RHI, though if re-configured with new HP's if the manufacturer will step in and save face, it could be.

Who did it? Couldn't possibly say, however if you check out the information I've provided a quick Google search with the key information in will enable you to find out :)
 
It's not OUR install!!!

We were ORIGINALLY called in because one of the heat pumps wasn't working and the original installer says it's out of warranty > 3 years and wanted £750 just to turn up to look at what was wrong with the heat pump.

Then the can of worms opened, as when I started looking at it I started asking about the running costs and why it was configured they way it was.

Hence my earlier post about possible litigation against the original installer "not fit for purpose"
Reading through the original installers website they are much bigger on air-con (A2A) than they are on A2W heating.



Or - were you meaning that if we fix it and it still doesn't work, it will just come back to bite me! :(

Sorry mate,

I don't think I am the only one who has the problem of putting in writing what would come across differently verbally.

What you wrote was ' The challenge is who is going to pay'

I was trying to say, in reply, - The challenge is who is going to pay you.

Obviously its not going to be a cheap repair.

Appologies
 
Sorry mate,

I don't think I am the only one who has the problem of putting in writing what would come across differently verbally.

What you wrote was ' The challenge is who is going to pay'

I was trying to say, in reply, - The challenge is who is going to pay you.

Obviously its not going to be a cheap repair.

Appologies

Gordon's really cheap..... He only quoted £17.99 to supply and install all required components
 
Yep !
 
Capacity (primary)
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293 L
Heating surface DHW tank
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51 mbar
Primary flow
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1" (F) Ø
Connection - DHW
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Actually only 200 litres of DHW per tank, 93 litres of 'buffer' and only 2.29m2 surface area per tank...
 
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How about converting all to DHW and installing a dedicated buffer?
 
Capacity 200litres at 60c per cylinder will give a hell of a lot of hot water at say 38c
And with re heat time this can be almost continuos
 
How much hot water is actually needed at peak times has it been calculated
 
DHW consumption - A lot - if you've ever seen the impact a shotgun competition has on a clubhouse, 72 sweaty golfers descending on the bar and clubhouse over a matter of 40 minutes. Hence they have 9 showers in the mens' changing rooms.
600 litres of DHW with rapid reheat should be sufficient.

Client has decided (correctly) that AS heat pumps will never work in this situation. So we're looking at reconfiguring the Cylinders - the DHW secondary connections are also plumbed the wrong way round, and in series not parallel so big c**k up there, and no reverse return / Tichelmann on the primaries.

Cylinders can (probably) be reused, system needs complete re-plumbing, new / proper heating controls and cascaded gas boilers, plus need to look at possibly pumped DHW to the showers, even though it is currently unvented as supply to them is undersized. (Single 22mm)
Anyone fancy a punt -- we don't do gas !
 
Lock the shower block doors and invest in a happy hour at the bar? Probably the cheapest solution!
 
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