ADEY magnacleanse unit

[ShaunCorbs]

Magnacleanse looks great. But why can’t we just use an existing filter to take the magnetite out?
I mean add your chemicals, turn each rad off in turn, it all goes through the return and through the filter.
I know you get two large magnets with the unit and it may well be quicker, but then again I’m saving myself £450 so seems to make sense.

The small / normal one would get filled up in minutes when cleaning

 

[dan_the_plumber]

Ok so empty it and off you go again ?

 

[Riley]

.what 40-50 times on a flush??

 

[dan_the_plumber]

I’m not really sure how you figure that 40-50 times. All the videos I’ve seen on YouTube, there’s not really that much sludge coming out. Or to look st it another way the two large magnets are 4 times the size of a normal size one. If you empty the large magnets once, then your emptying a normal size magnet 4 times.

 

[Riley]

It’s all relative mate depends how dirty the system is. If your cunning you could pipe a bypass for the magnacleanse and keep the water circulating while you empty the magnet chambers. If you just use a magnaclean you’ll have to stop everything empty the filter put it all back together losing heat and circulation. Utter waste of time. If you’re doing a proper flush it should take a proper amount of time. I don’t believe that a magnacleanse will do it in the time quoted on a dirty system So a magnaclean will be even slower

 

[dan_the_plumber]

I do respect your points of view, having used the magnecleanse you have one up on me in that regard. However I just can’t help but feel that the publicity that system cleanliness gets within industry, presents a fantastic opportunity for companies such as Adey to take advantage of legislation to make an awful lot of money.
Also, and as a completely separate point. I find it a hard sell to customers living in my area (S. Wales) generally speaking people really don’t care how clean there system is, as long as it works they are happy. Customers are going to have to buy replacement rads anyway, so it actually works out more cost effective for them to buy new rads (a few at a time) than pay for flushing.

 

[Riley]

Yes but we’re also talking cleanliness for a new boiler and no warranty. I’m sorry mate but I completely disagree with you it’s not a hard sell its installing as per manufacturers requirements and not making a headache for yourself when the customers new boiler packs up. You try and do a flush with a magnaclean. See how long it takes you. On a side note I use a kamco powerflush and combimag same principle but you can do a system of tar back to spotless in a day. It’s about using the right tools for the job in my opinion. Not having a go just how I work

 

[dan_the_plumber]

Well I might buy one then and might as well add in a thermal imaging camera too (as is advised) and a power flush machine too? Wow that lot will set you back a bit.

 

[Riley]

Look seriously mate, I know you say some of your customers don’t give a toss but I work in some multimillion pound houses and the customer expects you to have the right gear to do it efficiently and correctly. As I said not having a go but I’ve always been taught to use the right tools for the job. Seriously have a go doing a flush with a magnaclean and see how long you’re there

 

[dan_the_plumber]

Well there’s your difference isn’t it. You’re working for wealthy people who don’t mind spending the money. This gives you the means to re-invest in your business by buying the right tools.
Trust me around here installers tend to employ the ‘3 F’s’ of Boiler install. ‘Fit, fire up and uck off’.

 

[Riley]

Doesn’t make it right though bud when it’s the customers dollar

 

[dan_the_plumber]

Honest though I might buy a magma cleanse. I am actually pretty up on system cleanliness. Some customers are switched on to it. But there are certainly are large number of customers who would rather you just add a bottle of ‘boiler silencer’

 

[Riley]

Ha ha I hear where you’re coming from but I think communication goes a long way.

 

[Pickwickpick]

Communication does help, but it can only go so far. For last couple of years I've been splitting my work/time between Birmingham and a fairly wealthy bit of London and its a completely different mentality. Most of my clients in Brum I have a fight to convince them that its worth spending a bit more now to save in the long run and that cutting corners is a false economy, to the point where I turn down some jobs as i won't put my name to something that I know will not last. Most of the ones down in London its the complete opposite if anything, I'm telling them they're going ott/wasting money, but they don't care/

 

[dan_the_plumber]

I find it difficult to flush some systems I work on. No valves work, no drain offs, no filter to connect on to and radiators which are so far gone if you hit them with anything heavier than a biro they would crumble into steelobix

 

[Riley]

Communication does help, but it can only go so far. For last couple of years I've been splitting my work/time between Birmingham and a fairly wealthy bit of London and its a completely different mentality. Most of my clients in Brum I have a fight to convince them that its worth spending a bit more now to save in the long run and that cutting corners is a false economy, to the point where I turn down some jobs as i won't put my name to something that I know will not last. Most of the ones down in London its the complete opposite if anything, I'm telling them they're going ott/wasting money, but they don't care/

I completely understand that but I think the only way to stop people doing half @rsed work or cut corners is to stipulate how things should be done and work down from there. Please please dont think I’m saying you and Dan are in that category that’s not what I mean. The difference with you and the wronguns is you know how it should be rather than just bodgitt and leggitt you will actually explain it to the customer. My biggest issue is when there is no contractor/customer communication. We see it on here all the time where a customer comes on and says that they’ve been stitched up by a dodgy plumber and it actually turns out that the contractor has done exactly what they’ve said they’ll do but the customer hasn’t listened or bothered to ask questions. Don’t get me wrong it happens the other way too. I just don’t want to give any of my customers any recourse in this litigious society that we live in to tell me I didn’t do something or at least explain why it should be done even if they decline.

 

[Riley]

I find it difficult to flush some systems I work on. No valves work, no drain offs, no filter to connect on to and radiators which are so far gone if you hit them with anything heavier than a biro they would crumble into steelobix

Flushes don’t have to be that aggressive most of the time the flow and pressure produced by the flushing machine is no greater than that produced by a combi boiler so if you’re doing a combi swap you probably aren’t going to cause carnage in doing one. There are always ways onto a system be it using a wet vac or cutting in a connection point.

 

[Pickwickpick]

I completely understand that but I think the only way to stop people doing half @rsed work or cut corners is to stipulate how things should be done and work down from there. Please please dont think I’m saying you and Dan are in that category that’s not what I mean. The difference with you and the wronguns is you know how it should be rather than just bodgitt and leggitt you will actually explain it to the customer. My biggest issue is when there is no contractor/customer communication. We see it on here all the time where a customer comes on and says that they’ve been stitched up by a dodgy plumber and it actually turns out that the contractor has done exactly what they’ve said they’ll do but the customer hasn’t listened or bothered to ask questions. Don’t get me wrong it happens the other way too. I just don’t want to give any of my customers any recourse in this litigious society that we live in to tell me I didn’t do something or at least explain why it should be done even if they decline.

Yep agreed, dealing with & communicating with clients is one of the hardest bits of being self employed, you can do the best job in the world but if the client had something else pictured they could still come away from it unhappy. You end up having to be very good at reading people and adapting how you explain things. With some of the more difficult cases where they're pushing for unreasonable savings I lay thing out in 3 tiers, 1) ideal way to do it but more expensive 2) corners that can be cut to bring price down but will not compromise the soundness of the job 3) corners that must not be cut. I can work with 2) but if they insist on 3) I walk away.