Advice needed on central heating pipework install

[TrickyS]

Hi

I would really appreciate some advice on some plumbing work I have had done. I had a radiator moved to a different wall so asked plumber to run pipework through ceiling (ceiling to be re-boarded and plastered) rather than down wall and along skirting. He has done this for me by making holes in ceiling, but the 4m span of copper pipe is only supported by what is left of the plaster board and is also resting on top of electricity cables. It is not even close to the joist. I am right in thinking this should have been clipped along joist or is what he has done acceptable? One side of the joist is clear of cables so there was plenty of room to install clips and run pipe along that if required.


Thanks

 

[solutions]

No not acceptable. The pipe should be supported and certainly should not be resting on electrical cables as it may be putting them under strain. Tell your plumber to come back take the ceiling down clip the pipe at the correct distances along the pipe for the size of pipe run horizontally. Then when it has been corrected you can have the ceiling reboarded, plastered and decorated at your leisure and expense.

 

[newcastle phill]

Have you got a picture
Picture worth 1000 words

 

[kris]

If you think about it if we were to run pipes on a first floor then we lift hatches and put our pipes under the floorboards and in certain areas the pipework will rest on the plasterboard from the downstair cieling so it can happen , its not always possible to gain access by tearing folks cielings down to clip,, , however a supported /clipped pipe far succeeds one just lying on wires, thats just wrong, If your plumber had plenty access then really theres no excuse as couple clips along the joist is all thats required,
Welcome to the forum trickys

 

[AWheating]

it needs clipping, if its plastic 15mm every 500-600mm will be ok.

 

[TrickyS]

No not acceptable. The pipe should be supported and certainly should not be resting on electrical cables as it may be putting them under strain. Tell your plumber to come back take the ceiling down clip the pipe at the correct distances along the pipe for the size of pipe run horizontally. Then when it has been corrected you can have the ceiling reboarded, plastered and decorated at your leisure and expense.

Thanks solutions. Really appreciate your feedback, he had clipped the pipes down the wall, so I paid him assuming he would have done the same in the ceiling. Good to know it should not have been left like that.

 

[TrickyS]

Hi Phill

Yes I tried to link/attach some as thought that would help, but would not let me as my first thread I guess. Still won't let me directly, try below

s1376.photobucket.com/user/trickys72/library/Plumbing

 

[TrickyS]

Hi kris

thanks for responding, like you have said he had plenty of access, I would have rather he took as much of the existing plasterboard down as possible in order to clip it. It's good to know everyone here agrees it should have been clipped.

 

[TrickyS]

Thanks AWheating, does it make a difference if it is copper pipe?

 

[LPC]

Holy crap. That's up there with the best!

This man is not a plumber. I don't know what he is, but he is not a plumber.

 

[newcastle phill]

Thats rough

 

[Ermintrude]

Why not just use not plastic no joints

 

[TrickyS]

Thing is he is gas safe registered, I thought it was poor, I was not a happy chappy when I realised what he had done after he had left, glad it is not just me thinking this! Makes me happier to think I did not have a right moan at him for no reason.

 

[TrickyS]

what did make me laugh was that he had obviously not even measured the pipe work length required down the wall as I have ended up with an extra join with about a foot of pipe between that and the elbows

 

[TrickyS]

The rest of the house was re plumbed about 4 years ago & new boiler installed with plastic pipe where applicable, this room was left (as we planned to renovate it later), so plumber at time just connected new plastic pipe to existing copper pipework in this room. As we were ripping that copper out and putting in new pipework I did tell this chap that the rest was all plastic so to use that, but he was adamant he wanted to use copper, as he was the professional I took his advice and let him get on with it. I would have thought it was easier to use plastic. He also notched out the bottom of the joists rather than drill through the middle. From what I now understand it is ok to notch the top (only to a certain depth) but should never notch the bottom. To be fair he could not notch the top because he only had access from below.

 

[JCplumb]

I'd say a PLUMBER needs to come and sort that out. Don't let the handyman back to touch any of it.
Good luck TrickyS.

 

[wetdrip]

Hi

I would really appreciate some advice on some plumbing work I have had done. I had a radiator moved to a different wall so asked plumber to run pipework through ceiling (ceiling to be re-boarded and plastered) rather than down wall and along skirting. He has done this for me by making holes in ceiling, but the 4m span of copper pipe is only supported by what is left of the plaster board and is also resting on top of electricity cables. It is not even close to the joist. I am right in thinking this should have been clipped along joist or is what he has done acceptable? One side of the joist is clear of cables so there was plenty of room to install clips and run pipe along that if required.


Thanks

If the pipework is too far away from joists, then insist he puts noggins in to support new pipe run.
Pipework has got to be taken apart as that cable in one of your images has to be moved.

If it were me and the room was being redecorated, I'd have chased it in, used proper fittings and run behind skirting too, if possible.

 

[newcastle phill]

I personally wouldnt put compression or push fit anywhere where it cannot be accessed so id have used copper end feed in inaccesible areas

Annoying thing is that...

>>> and im NOT saying this is the case, but some experience of mine is

 

[newcastle phill]

Ohh seems half my post has been deleted.
Cant be bothered to retype.
Must be those Halloween fairies

 

[Ermintrude]

It's rough. He only uses copper? Strage those white bits on tube.

 

[newcastle phill]

Youve lost me erminmood

 

[LPC]

Mate honestly i'd have that all taken out, get another plumber (a real one) and start again.

 

[kris]

Holy crap. That's up there with the best!

This man is not a plumber. I don't know what he is, but he is not a plumber.

That's a horrendous and ugly install and if the guy who did it is a plumber then he shouldnt be. Words can't describe that mess.

 

[kris]

Even if no clips he could've put dwangs in to support the pipe

 

[SimonG]

That must be just temporary! He will fit the proper stuff on his return