Advice on work done by gas safe engineer

[newgal85]

There’s no legal requirement to issue you with a certificate.. even for a new install.

Hi Bogrodder - I calles Gas Safe customer services they said all registered engineers must issue in 30 days? They said if its being moved they must be notified so the council can be informed of the move - is that incorrect?

 

[Riley]

Not sure what cert they’re talking about but it does need to be notified

 

[newgal85]

It has the cover on now - it was removed temporarily because we had underfloor heating installed today so I took the picture whilst they were mid way through the work.

 

[Harvest Fields]

That connector shouldn’t be on the condense pipe either. It should be solvent and as Shaun said. Where the UFH people Gas Safe?

 

[newgal85]

Not sure what cert they’re talking about but it does need to be notified

I called to check and they said nothing has been notified yet.

 

[Riley]

Well they need to

 

[newgal85]

were them lads gas safe reg?

Yes they were - hopefully I dont get any further problems have enough to deal with right now!

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yes they were - hopefully I dont get any further problems have enough to deal with right now!

other than what you have said did they tell you they spotted anything else / general quality of install etc?

 

[newgal85]

other than what you have said did they tell you they spotted anything else / general quality of install etc?

They just mentioned to me that magna cleaner should be in the other pipe and the cold water tank has not been cleaned as agreed. The one thing they said has been done right is the pressurizing of the heating system.They did say something about the pipes used as well but didnt go into detail after that.

 

[galaxy_plumbing]

good luck mate

 

[rpm]

Sure I have almost just said that?

Thought you would be used to that by now HV, some people like to keep their post numbers up!

 

[Harvest Fields]

It is frustrating.

 

[CHRISX]

It needs notifying though

Hello Riley,

About 2 years after the requirement to notify the installation of Gas Boilers first became a legal requirement I moved a Boiler which had been installed and notified a year previously from a Kitchen to the back wall of a newly built extension.

Although I believed that this should definitely be notified because of certifying that it had been moved / reinstalled by a CORGI registered Gas Engineer / Installer and that all pertinent Gas Safety Regulations and Building Regulations had been adhered to there was some debate about this with a couple of friends / colleagues who were Heating Engineers / Gas Engineers so I telephoned the CORGI Technical Helpline to confirm my stance on the matter.

The CORGI Technical representative disagreed with me - He was stating that an already notified Gas Boiler that was moved but still in the same Household / Building did not need to be notified because in His opinion the notification process was to ensure that only Condensing Boilers were being installed [apart from where there were dispensations for difficult circumstances] and as the Boiler had already been notified there was no need to re-confirm that it was still installed at the same address.

I stated that this would mean that Boilers could be moved by Non CORGI Registered Operatives - there would be no record of the `Gas Appliance Works`and that the installation might not meet the appropriate Gas Safety Regulations / Building Regulations.

He stated something like - `How many Boilers get moved within the same Home ?` - `probably not enough to be concerned about`.

I was not happy with that response and I went ahead and notified the Boiler move / re-installation.

I should have phoned again and spoken to a different `CORGI Technical Advisor` to see whether that attitude / `advice` was just that of the individual that I spoke to or also that of another CORGI Technical Advisor.

At that time and probably still now with Gas Safe there was no point in trying to discuss this with the CORGI Gas Appliance Notification Telephone representatives as they were `Notification Admin Only` Employees with no Technical knowledge on Gas Boiler Installation notifications or any other Gas Safety / Gas Utilisation Technical matter.

As I mentioned this was quite a few Years ago and although I personally have only moved 5 or 6 Gas Boilers within the same premises since then they have all been notified and registered as having been moved / re-installed by a Gas Safe registered Gas Engineer / Me complying with all applicable regulations.

I feel sure that We are correct that a Gas Boiler which is moved within the same Home / Building should definitely be notified for the reasons described in my second paragraph above and I hope that Gas Safe Technical would give confirmation of that.

Chris

 

[Riley]

My shorter response is that I saw a gas safe inspector recently and he said whenever moved needs notifying

 

[newgal85]

Hello Riley,

About 2 years after the requirement to notify the installation of Gas Boilers first became a legal requirement I moved a Boiler which had been installed and notified a year previously from a Kitchen to the back wall of a newly built extension.

Although I believed that this should definitely be notified because of certifying that it had been moved / reinstalled by a CORGI registered Gas Engineer / Installer and that all pertinent Gas Safety Regulations and Building Regulations had been adhered to there was some debate about this with a couple of friends / colleagues who were Heating Engineers / Gas Engineers so I telephoned the CORGI Technical Helpline to confirm my stance on the matter.

The CORGI Technical representative disagreed with me - He was stating that an already notified Gas Boiler that was moved but still in the same Household / Building did not need to be notified because in His opinion the notification process was to ensure that only Condensing Boilers were being installed [apart from where there were dispensations for difficult circumstances] and as the Boiler had already been notified there was no need to re-confirm that it was still installed at the same address.

I stated that this would mean that Boilers could be moved by Non CORGI Registered Operatives - there would be no record of the `Gas Appliance Works`and that the installation might not meet the appropriate Gas Safety Regulations / Building Regulations.

He stated something like - `How many Boilers get moved within the same Home ?` - `probably not enough to be concerned about`.

I was not happy with that response and I went ahead and notified the Boiler move / re-installation.

I should have phoned again and spoken to a different `CORGI Technical Advisor` to see whether that attitude / `advice` was just that of the individual that I spoke to or also that of another CORGI Technical Advisor.

At that time and probably still now with Gas Safe there was no point in trying to discuss this with the CORGI Gas Appliance Notification Telephone representatives as they were `Notification Admin Only` Employees with no Technical knowledge on Gas Boiler Installation notifications or any other Gas Safety / Gas Utilisation Technical matter.

As I mentioned this was quite a few Years ago and although I personally have only moved 5 or 6 Gas Boilers within the same premises since then they have all been notified and registered as having been moved / re-installed by a Gas Safe registered Gas Engineer / Me complying with all applicable regulations.

I feel sure that We are correct that a Gas Boiler which is moved within the same Home / Building should definitely be notified for the reasons described in my second paragraph above and I hope that Gas Safe Technical would give confirmation of that.

Chris

Thanks Chris! Will follow up with Gas Safe to check if they have been notified yet-

 

[CHRISX]

My shorter response is that I saw a gas safe inspector recently and he said whenever moved needs notifying

Hello again Riley,

I know that We are correct in that Boilers that are moved must be notified.

I have just remembered [checked some paperwork] that I used one of the Boilers that I moved some years ago as an example `Gas Works` for a CORGI Inspection and one more recently for a Gas Safe Inspection.

As I was writing my `Story` above I wondered how many Gas Engineers / Installers were given that wrong `information` by the CORGI Technical Advisor and never bothered to check whether it was correct and since then never notified any Boiler that they moved within the same Home / Building ?

Although it is a long time ago now it was disgraceful that the CORGI Technical Advisor alluded to - `perhaps there are not enough non -notified Boiler moves within the same premises to be concerned about` - as ONE badly installed Gas Appliance can Kill !

It has occurred to me that if some Heating Engineers / Gas Engineers asked a question of Gas Safe Technical unless it was a very contentious subject whatever answer they received would form their `future knowledge` / guidelines to be followed in the future ?

Hopefully there is no incorrect information given out by the Gas Safe Technical Helpline so no future problems can occur related to misinterpretations of the Gas Regulations / applicable Building Regulations.

Chris

 

[DjClubber]

CORGI out of the Equation to be fair. . .

 

[mallone655]

The tank that you have in the picture looks like a feed and expansion tank for a vented syatem. This will not be in use anymore if you have had the heating system pressurised.

 

[Harvest Fields]

@Paul2410 you dislike my post but have been a member since November and not made 1 comment???

 

[firemant]

That connector shouldn’t be on the condense pipe either. It should be solvent and as Shaun said. Where the UFH people Gas Safe?

I thought I had posted this the other day but cannot see it?
Anyway, I have never heard that compression fittings are not allowed, is this definite and where does ir say so?
Some guys even say, wrongly IMO, SW should not be used as the condense can attack the glue.

I often fitted a compression near the boiler to aid disconnection in the future.

 

[DjClubber]

Its not a compression its a speed fit 22mm coupling. . .

 

[ShaunCorbs]

To be fair the speedfit coupling is fine and acceptable

Not that I would use one

 

[Harvest Fields]

To be fair the speedfit coupling is fine and acceptable

Not that I would use one

Same as push fit in my eyes. Still has a rubber seal. Would never fit or recommend it done that one.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Same as push fit in my eyes. Still has a rubber seal. Would never fit or recommend it done that one.

True but most condense in boilers are done with orings and clips / pushfit etc

 

[Harvest Fields]

True. But not likely to be messed with by customers.