Best Boiler Plus Compliant controls For A landlord That Doesn't Want To spend Any money?

[DJB]

As above, got to fit a combi for a landlord, he's supplying the boiler so it will probably be the cheapest he can find!
So what's the simplest and most cost effective way of complying with the new regs?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Nest room stat or any load comp stat

 

[Harvest Fields]

Can you find out what boiler it is?

 

[Tommo25]

Danfoss tp one room stat - load comp.

 

[Scott_D]

The cheap ESI control

 

[jtsplumbing]

Get a combi with built in flue gas recovery !

 

[king of pipes]

Honeywell T4 programmable thermostat. Kop

 

[firemant]

As above, got to fit a combi for a landlord, he's supplying the boiler so it will probably be the cheapest he can find!
So what's the simplest and most cost effective way of complying with the new regs?

Are you that desperate for work?

 

[Gasmk1]

• From April, the new Boiler Plus legislation, which is part of the Heat In Buildings policy, will mean that new gas-fi red combi boiler replacement installations in England must be installed with either a smart, load or weather compensation control or a flue gas heat recovery unit. Rest assured,
  
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• Combi boiler replacements must have a minimum efficiency of 92% ErP

However, homeowners and installers must then select from four different energy-saving measures to work alongside this:

• Load compensation control
• Weather compensation control
• Smart thermostat with automation and optimisation
• Flue gas heat recovery unit with a time and temperature control

from worcesters site i think you only need one of the items to What Is Boiler Plus | Logic4training Blog

 

[gmartine]

So every other boiler type gets a pass?

 

[Harvest Fields]

It’s only for combi’s mate. So believe that’s a yes.

 

[gmartine]

Meant that to be rhetorical, just wondered why you wouldn't update the regs for all boiler types.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Meant that to be rhetorical, just wondered why you wouldn't update the regs for all boiler types.

They are looking into including all the rest in a couple of years

 

[ShaunCorbs]

But still don't require trvs on rads

 

[Harvest Fields]

But still don't require trvs on rads

Which makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Thing is whatever the landlord buys it will have to conform to the new regs, if not ! Don't fit it,

 

[oz-plumber]

But still don't require trvs on rads

We have had similar issues over here.

It's not about efficiency of the system - it's about efficiency of the appliance and / or efficiency of the appliance servicing the system.

I could go into specifics, but I believe it is manufacturer driven to give greenie pen pushers a purpose.

 

[heatservice]

Ban preheat would save the World lol

 

[Murdoch]

Thing is whatever the landlord buys it will have to conform to the new regs, if not ! Don't fit it,

Would you actually fit a boiler bought by a cheapskate?

 

[jtsplumbing]

Would you actually fit a boiler bought by a cheapskate?

Yes, at the end of the day work is work ! still charge the same labour rate, Just any problems with boiler is a chargeable call customers problem, And lets be honest you cant make a large mark up on boiler or anything these days customer has usely checked out prices B4 you get there, So I'm happy to fit whatever customer wants to supply as long as you point out any problems will impose extra costs.

 

[oz-plumber]

At the end of the day and if **** hits the fan, you will be held accountable and liable.
The Landlord will state that he employed you to install a boiler, that he supplied, and expected you to install it to regulations.

There is no way the landlord would state that he informed you to do an installation that doesn't comply with regulations.
He's not expected to know the regs - but you are

 

[gingalig]

Work is work, if the boiler fits wear it ;-) I have been using load compensation because the old folks like the fit and forget aspect and its a cheap compliance, the Viesmann range also come with built in weather compensation and a free sensor, Baxi which is probably something like your landlord will want to buy, have an easy install weather comp which is cheap. Faliure to comply with boiler plus is a breach of building regs, which you as the installer having completed the sign off would be liable for.

 

[Ric2013]

So every other boiler type gets a pass?

Surely the bit about combis only relates to the 92% erp?

 

[Ric2013]

But still don't require trvs on rads

What if, hypothetically, you had a zone valve and stat for each room? Personally, I find TRVs are crap in many ways. I do fit them as a cheap and cheerful upgrade on manual valves, but I would rarely consider them to be the ideal solution.

 

[gingalig]

That would possibly come under the remit of smart controls if they were controlled individually, but you can already get electronicly operated trvs like the evo home system.